i liked this movie but it could have been so much better. I dont know why so many people hated it so much. It wasnt anyw
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Babylon A.D.
jmac332083 — 17 years ago(September 15, 2008 04:00 PM)
i liked this movie but it could have been so much better. I dont know why so many people hated it so much. It wasnt anywhere close to the worst movie of all-time. Stop hating on Vin!
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Hanora — 17 years ago(September 16, 2008 08:58 AM)
Ok I agree with most as far as there could have been more to the movie, so I too am praying for the directors cut.
But as far as the action went, yes in the real world a snow mobile wouldn't be faster than a stealth bomber, but it's only a movie, the whole point of movies is to take u away from the real world.
JMO
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Orki72 — 17 years ago(September 16, 2008 01:59 PM)
So i guess, in Germany there is a version without an end with twins and showing Toorop as their father.
First of all, i don't hate Vin Diesel, i just think that he wasted much of his talent doing bad movies - this one is obviously bad.- How can he kill Carl(?) and all the others standing there only watching? I mean there is a group of warriors entering a room, the leader of them is shot and they do nothing - not even tranquilizing him.
- Why the transportation of a car with a heli? Hadn't they just figured out something else while planning this?
- Why does "Sister" Michelle tells the three rules and anybody follows them - except no contact with others
sorry, i do not want to continue, i just want to forget about this s*** movie
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arturius111 — 17 years ago(September 17, 2008 01:25 AM)
To me the scene with the two cloned tigers was very important. Vin's character says they are just man-made fake tigers but Aurora says man was made in God's image and so therefore anything made by man is part of God's design. The cloned tigers are really the same as the engineered twins. Fake but yet part of God's design. So by trying to create a fake messianic virgin birth, the scientist guy and the religious cult actually created a real messiah, or in this case twin messiahs. The twins obviously have some super godlike powers and it may come to pass that they are going to be the saviours of the human race or whatever, and Toorop is their protector.
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empathy44 — 17 years ago(September 17, 2008 05:10 PM)
To me the scene with the two cloned tigers was very important. Vin's character says they are just man-made fake tigers but Aurora says man was made in God's image and so therefore anything made by man is part of God's design. The cloned tigers are really the same as the engineered twins. Fake but yet part of God's design. So by trying to create a fake messianic virgin birth, the scientist guy and the religious cult actually created a real messiah, or in this case twin messiahs. The twins obviously have some super godlike powers and it may come to pass that they are going to be the saviours of the human race or whatever, and Toorop is their protector.
Excellent point! I thought it was just to show how empathetic and morally orientated Aurora is and how ruined the ecosystem is. It fits with the idea that the twins actually have powers and whoever raises them is of such vast importance.
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DaftFlores — 17 years ago(September 26, 2008 05:02 PM)
Lthough the last scene's dialogue was kind of cheesy, that scene was very symbolic.
Two children from different races, and the camera focuses Toorop's hands holding each girl: his "normal" hand and his mechanical hand.
This scene represents a duality that exists throughout the whole movie, starting from the tiger scene.
And it shows how Toorop changed during all this time, from a non-believer position in the tiger scene to a man that takes the responsability to take care of those children and hide their secret. -
Grande_Hefe — 17 years ago(September 29, 2008 08:23 AM)
Why do the twins need a protector? They stopped a flippin' RPG from destroying their mother. She wasn't even harmed. Not even her clothing!!!!
I think if they could do that, they could protect themselves.
Secondly, since the twins could do this, there was really no point to tell this story. The story is a waste of time. The mother (can't even remember her name now, that's a good sign of a crappy movie) could have just went on her own, and the twins would have magically flew her to wherever she needed to go, and then when there was danger, the twins could have shot magic missiles and mind bullets at the enemies.
That would have been a much cooler movie!
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falacta — 17 years ago(October 05, 2008 12:24 PM)
You lay the story out nicely but sadly the movie does a poor job narrating it. I actually didn't get it was the near future the first half an hour, it could have been anywhere from the Caucasus to Central Asia. Most of the rest was introduced at awkward moments and not consistently with the pace and scenes with which the main characters progressed, the main villians were introduced late, the main allies were sketched in sparsely and all in all the action scenes were not very interesting either.
Imo they totally wrecked this movie despite me agreeing with you that the story might have been interesting and actually good and a bit more complex than one would have expected. -
hexiumvii — 17 years ago(October 06, 2008 06:47 PM)
You would think using big words (pathogenesis) would make you sound smart. Too bad you don't even know what you're talking about. Too bad whatever biology class you took in elementary school cannot prepare you for an explanation of how parthenogenesis works.
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Azero18 — 17 years ago(October 10, 2008 02:55 AM)
Nice interpretation of the movie, you bring about some good explanations. However, with 1.5 hours of missing footage from the movie i suppose no one will truly understand the movie the way the director wanted them too. Unless and extended, or uncut version is released on DVD.
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yakuza_gunner — 17 years ago(October 12, 2008 08:58 PM)
Indeed, and even if the movie's various symbols and background was easy to grasp, the plot itself jumped and skipped ahead way too fast at times & vice versa. Like for example the scene where the troupe is moving across the plains on the snow mobiles. I went to the washroom for a couple of minutes during that scene, and when I came back the tense relations between the three had changed to one of happiness and friendship
I seriously thought I missed some kind of bonding scene in between, because a couple of scenes ago everybody looked like they were gonna kill each other. -
toph1980 — 17 years ago(October 13, 2008 05:30 PM)
Forget any DC, this movie is crap. No, it has nothing to do with Diesel, I actually think he's a decent actor.
I don't care how badly Fox wrecked Babylon AD (BAD), Mathieu Kassovitz's version can't possibly be any better. As far as I know, most of what we saw was Kassovitz's vision. His shots, style, themes, etc. And it all sucked. Average stuff tops.
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no1sbusiness — 17 years ago(October 14, 2008 06:33 AM)
OP: That's a pretty good summary of the movie, however my issue was not that I didn't understand it, it is that is was just poorly executed and edited. I realise there were issues with the studio stepping in, but this movie was just a mess.
There were massive continuity issues, both in terms of the story and the character development, things were not explained properly, arcs were not finished, action happened for no apparent reason, dialogue added nothing and the ending was bland.
I was shocked to find that when I got out of the cinema, only 90 minutes had passed. It honestly felt like at least 2 hours and that is not a good thing . . . -
headnspace — 17 years ago(October 19, 2008 07:55 PM)
Okay, several posters said that the BABIES saved Aurora when the missile exploded near her face.
HOW do you know this? I do not recall this in the movie at all.
I thought it was Aurora controlling the explosion to save/hide herself.
Can anyone tell me where I missed this in the movie? (or did someone read the story and get it there?) -
william-e-nelson — 17 years ago(November 28, 2008 10:36 AM)
alright, who was gorski getting her out of the monastery for? not for her father, and not for the high priestess. that is one main plot hole. I buy the pill thing for the births, but some posters are saying toorop is the father of one,so during the 11 minutes that were cut, they did the deed?
