Not a single refugee has committed terrorism in the US
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HadSexWithSatan — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:03 AM)
By that logic, you should fear your own kind:
-Orlando shooter
-Columbine shooters
-Boston Bomber
-Ft. Hood Shooter
-Virginia Tech Shooter
-The Dark Knight Rises Shooter
-Sandy Hook Shooter
-Congresswoman Gifford's ShooterEtc.
With the exception of the Columbine shooters (whose parents were libtards), all of the aforementioned losers were either registered democrats, were Obama lovers or supported democrapic policies/ideologies. Factor that in with areas containing the most violent crimes per capita voting blue and the fact that liberal leaders were paying its degenerate losers to assault its opponents on the other side AND how the radical left is rioting and assaulting any and everyone who doesn't support their views, I'd say the right is the least of your worries.
And it's funny hearing these libtards attempt to lecture me on Muslims when not a single one of them has ever left their white little bubble unless of course they were visiting another white liberal bubble, much less step foot in a Muslim country. I've spent the majority of my 20s living in Muslim countries and to hear these Liberals cry about how "tolerant, loving and peaceful" Muslims are is laughable and further proves how delusional and clueless they are but anyone who lives in a white bubble usually is. They believe their first class reality reflects the reality of everyone else. -
skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:28 PM)
Where's the difference?
Refugees typically don't harbour deep resentments against the countries that take them in. Hell, Syrian refugees in the Fort MacMurray area pooled their meagre resources and fed, clothed, and housed the long-time residents during the wildfires there.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 02:45 PM)
There is a big difference between U.S. settled refugees and European ones. Since many refugees in Europe are just migrants who were vetted poorly or not at all.
I'm not trying to be mean to refugees. My point is, Arab countries with Islamic theocratic tendencies should be treated with extreme skepticism, as should be their people. I don't know if you've seen the polls; I can link them in no time if you'd like. They're pretty troubling. And as I recall, even Muslims in European nations have reported extremist views.
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skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:16 PM)
The migrant scenario is another thing altogether. They're not vetted, plus there's the general chaos of it all. Which makes using that as a template for discussing vetted refugees rather inane. Not that I'm saying you're doing so, but such is something I'm tired of seeing. The oversimplifications help nothing. Rather, they make things worse.
Theocracies are indeed an issue, but that's part of why people have valid reason to flee them. I showed you one poll on Canadian Muslims, completely unlike what you're referencing, and I've lived through the history of our major Muslim groups fighting for equal marriage recognition for gays. Looking at specifics matters. That's why the 'Kanadamodellen' has been touted in Sweden and Germany as a solution. We're not free of issues, but we have considerably less than other countries and none of them come from refugees.
It's not hard to include addressing individual views in vetting and individual history is already part of the initial vetting before we even look at them. However, the us/them dynamic only helps extremists sell the idea that "they hate us all". It gives them exactly what they want.
Tellingly, the scenario in play for most countries has been ass-backwards. Those theocracies get a pass in most any respect while the people they abuse get lumped in with the extremists.
Consider the scenario as well. In Saudi Arabia and the like, your only acceptable route to power is through religion, so there's actually an incentive for powermongers to assemble a rabid flock. And yet, Western governments continue facilitating the Saudi government. Here in Canada, that we sell arms to the Saudis has been a flashpoint of national news.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:23 PM)
Yes, I see you on the points you've made. There are still logistics, expenses, and population density to consider. What can they provide? I think I've discussed this subject before on here, though I'm not sure if you were the other.
I don't think a few thousand or a few tens of thousands of refugees would make any difference. But should they come under heightened scrutiny? Absolutely.
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skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:32 PM)
Well, of course. There are a thousand specifics. And all of them need to be taken into account. No one-size-fits-all approach can be thrown onto every country. As for scrutiny, definitely, but that's already in the mix in vetted refugee scenarios. I only take issue with the simplistic approaches, be they close the gates or throw them wide open.
I have family friends going back to the 70s who were Ugandan refugees fleeing Idi Amin (and yes, Muslim). I know the hells they went through (two of the kids were killed, for one example) and I've watched them build themselves up from nothing. As such, I take these conversations rather personally.
I don't think we've ever discussed this before, though we may have touched on some relevant points in a different discussion.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:35 PM)
Yeah. I'm probably one of the few people on here who can actually be persuaded of anything.
I haven't had any exposure at all to refugees or even Muslims. My worries stem from Pew Polls and some of the events that have transpired in Europe. I have no dog in the race, other than wishing to maintain the values of liberty and freedom. Which is why I am opposed to Christian fundamentalists as well.
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skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:43 PM)
Hey, I understand the fears and want the restrictions in the vetting process. Some of the most in need in Syrian camps are the ones who've lost everything, including the proof of their history that demonstrates they aren't an issue. But I have no problem with those with a complete paper trail getting precedence even if that does mean that they clearly didn't suffer as much as those who lost everything.
I'm obviously for the values of liberty and freedom being maintained. I do however find that oversimplifications allow for those to be easily undermined. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.
Freedom and liberty require a constant conversation. And the more in-depth it is, the safer they are.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:45 PM)
. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.
They do the same to me. They can't imagine that someone could have a nuanced view of something.
Not that I'm perfect. There are times when I'm intellectually lazy and can't be bothered to form a decent argument.
But anyway,
on a rare civil conversation on IMDB.
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little-man-in-your-head — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 11:50 AM)
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/house-democrat-falsely-claims-u-s-hasnt-faced-terrorist-attacks-refugees/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack
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madmike_v40 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:16 PM)
So it does exist so thanks for the admission your statement is false.
Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.
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infinit9 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:47 PM)
Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.
That justification could potentially be used to build the wall. Doesn't really apply to the refugees. The refugees usually start their own small businesses.
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!!!deleted!!! (56160953) — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 07:31 AM)
Yep. Second generation Muslims are even more prone to radicalism. That's another good reason to stop bringing them in.
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