Use your *beep* brains, they're running from the horrors of their country, into the, atm, less than horrible state of th
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:23 PM)
Yes, I see you on the points you've made. There are still logistics, expenses, and population density to consider. What can they provide? I think I've discussed this subject before on here, though I'm not sure if you were the other.
I don't think a few thousand or a few tens of thousands of refugees would make any difference. But should they come under heightened scrutiny? Absolutely.
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skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:32 PM)
Well, of course. There are a thousand specifics. And all of them need to be taken into account. No one-size-fits-all approach can be thrown onto every country. As for scrutiny, definitely, but that's already in the mix in vetted refugee scenarios. I only take issue with the simplistic approaches, be they close the gates or throw them wide open.
I have family friends going back to the 70s who were Ugandan refugees fleeing Idi Amin (and yes, Muslim). I know the hells they went through (two of the kids were killed, for one example) and I've watched them build themselves up from nothing. As such, I take these conversations rather personally.
I don't think we've ever discussed this before, though we may have touched on some relevant points in a different discussion.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:35 PM)
Yeah. I'm probably one of the few people on here who can actually be persuaded of anything.
I haven't had any exposure at all to refugees or even Muslims. My worries stem from Pew Polls and some of the events that have transpired in Europe. I have no dog in the race, other than wishing to maintain the values of liberty and freedom. Which is why I am opposed to Christian fundamentalists as well.
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skyhawk0 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:43 PM)
Hey, I understand the fears and want the restrictions in the vetting process. Some of the most in need in Syrian camps are the ones who've lost everything, including the proof of their history that demonstrates they aren't an issue. But I have no problem with those with a complete paper trail getting precedence even if that does mean that they clearly didn't suffer as much as those who lost everything.
I'm obviously for the values of liberty and freedom being maintained. I do however find that oversimplifications allow for those to be easily undermined. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.
Freedom and liberty require a constant conversation. And the more in-depth it is, the safer they are.
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PlsStopTrolling — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 03:45 PM)
. Some people here seem to take my coming down on such as meaning I automatically take the opposite position, despite that being the very problem I'm addressing.
They do the same to me. They can't imagine that someone could have a nuanced view of something.
Not that I'm perfect. There are times when I'm intellectually lazy and can't be bothered to form a decent argument.
But anyway,
on a rare civil conversation on IMDB.
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little-man-in-your-head — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 11:50 AM)
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/house-democrat-falsely-claims-u-s-hasnt-faced-terrorist-attacks-refugees/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Ohio_State_University_attack
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madmike_v40 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:16 PM)
So it does exist so thanks for the admission your statement is false.
Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.
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infinit9 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 01:47 PM)
Also it isn't about terrorism its about jobs & public safety from criminals.
That justification could potentially be used to build the wall. Doesn't really apply to the refugees. The refugees usually start their own small businesses.
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!!!deleted!!! (56160953) — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 07:31 AM)
Yep. Second generation Muslims are even more prone to radicalism. That's another good reason to stop bringing them in.
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