The Helicoper scene felt out of place
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 06:59 AM)
Very realistic? So a helicopter swiping through a field of zombies is unrealistic. But the ludicrous idea of rage-induced humans attacking each other with no other neuronal capacity involved, isn't?
Defying the laws of biology = check.
Defying the laws of Motion = No! We can't have that!
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(August 19, 2016 08:20 AM)
And the helicopter breezing through the zombies allowed to exist to further the plot. See what I did there? You're also falsely conflating realism with logic. Something can be logical without being realistic, or vice-versa.
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Daimaju — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 02:09 AM)
Defying the laws of biology = check.
Movie didn't do that. Not at all.
It is perfectly possible to influence the human brain with drugs to achieve this, or at least similar behavior.
Ask people from 100 years ago about landing on the moon, you'll probably meet some wannabe smart-ass like yourself who tells you it isn't possible and defies the laws of physics - although he knows jack beep -
Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 07:05 AM)
It is perfectly possible to influence the human brain with drugs to achieve this, or at least similar behavior.
The fallacy of this argument is that we're not arguing drugs can't influence this behavior. The argument is that it's neurologically impossible to make humans act in this very specific manner without any other neuronal capacities involved, indefinitely.
The human brain isn't a linear entity of processing. it's a multi-grid lock of varying complexities of modulation. the movie takes the presumption that viruses or mumbo jumbo diseases can, on the molecular level, revert that which is medically bogus.
If you wanted the Rage Virus seen in the film it would take evolution thousands of years in order to see the effects and you would simultaneously need to modify the human brain to accompany its change.
Also, there's a physical limit to which a blood-vector can breach the blood-brain-barrier. It shouldn't take this quickly in real-life. No way it would take mere seconds. It would take way longer the same way Rabies does.
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Daimaju — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 03:41 PM)
The only fallacy here is you trying to sound awfully smart yet all you do is just throwing around speculations or assumptions without any evidence/thorough explanations, combined with vague statements, hoping no one would notice.
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 04:06 PM)
Nothing I've said was based on assumption. It's a medical fact that there's a biophysical limit to which a blood vector breaches the Blood-Brain-Barrier. And it's not in seconds. It's physically impossible. Period. just google the blood brain vector. it's a phenomena so elementary to neurology that any doctor can tell you flat-out you can't infect someone in seconds from a mere Encephalopathic-based virus.
Sounds like you're just trying to grasp onto a scientifically flawed, delusional fantasy that such a virus can exist.
Unfortunately for you and many post-apocalyptic aficionado's, the human brain is far too complex and complicated to make people act in such a specific, modulated manner. As I've correctly said, you would need to physically change the brain on the molecular scale. Or have evolution change with it in some sort of ecological symbiosis to see the effects some odd million(s) years from now.
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Daimaju — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 04:12 PM)
As I've correctly said
There. That's what I meant.
"I am right, therefore, I am right"
Not how this works.
Again, you didn't provide anything that remotely counts as evidence, or an explanation.
I never disagreed on the blood-brain barrier btw, I didn't even comment on it.
The question was never if the infection could happen instantly, but if it can happen at all and you just claiming it can't "because you are correct" doesn't convince anyone.
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 04:26 PM)
You questioning my presumptions of authority on this matter is what makes me suspicious of your dubiousness to the whole speculation to begin with. There's nothing wrong with having assurance in being right if you'rewellright.
, but if it can happen at all and you just claiming it can't "because you are correct" doesn't convince anyone.
It isn't too long ago we discovered what a difference disinfecting your hands before an operation makes, so I am not arrogant enough to make claims as to what is not possible.
It can't happen. Or least, it most likely will never happen. At least in nature. It's a question that doesn't have a simple, A to B answer for obvious reasons of such an enriched topic. But I was giving a general gist of
why
it can't happen. Ie: the complexities of the human brain and Qualia are extremely intricate. too intricate for such neuronal regulations or inhibitions to even exist on a strict A > B scheme.
These modulations work well for insects with parasites because their brains are extremely simplistic and have a much more simplistic neuronal circuitry relative to humans, obviously.
Is it possible? Well, here we have an indirect exercise in semantics. About as possible as a scientifically-backed 'God' being proved to exist. So yes. Possible. Probable? Extremely unlikely, bordering on the edge of impossibility.
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Prince_of_IMDb — 9 years ago(October 12, 2016 04:35 PM)
I don't understand what was wrong with that comment? I have approximate answers but no one is 100% certain in everything. I was enjoying this convo, as well.
Me claiming I was right was just me saying that according to the gist of evidence in the field, it's not likely to ever exist.
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The_Last_Man_On_Earth — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 09:05 AM)
Ask people from 100 years ago about landing on the moon, you'll probably meet some wannabe smart-ass like yourself who tells you it isn't possible and defies the laws of physics - although he knows jack beep
What a terrible analogy. The precedence of a lack of epistemology / knowledge on the laws of physics prevented us from making it possible. But that doesn't mean we didn't have the potential means to do so in very respect to this transitional lack of knowledge, and soon to be not.
We have a decent grasp on neuroscience in the 21st century. And while we're a long way from uncovering its mysteries, we know that there's no way you can "modulate" (using Pentra's term since it fits it well) such behavior or thinking patterns in such a narrow manner. The brain
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The_Last_Man_On_Earth — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 09:14 AM)
There is no contradiction. You've just misinterpreted the meaning of its context. Either you're a troll or you're really this inept. You can't make someone act in an exact way because the brain is not modularized to such a degree seen in other Animalia with simpler brains and neurons. The complexity is within this respect to a virus making this so. Not in respect to the complexities of the mind, in and of itself.
You're grasping at thin air with this. Either you're a troll or you can't accept that certain things should just be left in fiction and not in Science.