Gun purchase scene was absolutely silly…
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ndatmo-1 — 17 years ago(November 30, 2008 06:10 PM)
pcventures - I don't claim any knowledge base on this stuff, but if Erica had been a cop/detective, wouldn't it have been tantamount to 'entrapment'if she tried to induce the gundealer to sell her a firearm illegally? And I would think an experienced dealer would recognize someone in emotional distress or agitated (which she seemed to be) and be reticent to sell to her even if she
did
have a permit, so he could avoid just the kind of trouble you mention.
I know it's a dramatic device in the script to keep things moving, but the Asian guy could have been a customer or just a black market dealer cruising for possible customers.
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pcventures — 17 years ago(December 03, 2008 05:44 AM)
You're joking right?
I live only 30 miles away and go there all the time.
Sorry, but Bloomy is itching to close down gun stores.
As a true RINO (Republican in Name Only) he is against the idea
of anyone carrying a firearm, other than police.
NY state and NY city are a nightmare for people who want to legitimately purchase, own and carry handguns. (rules, regs, red tape)
Gun store owners and employees are a wary bunch anywhere in the US, but especially in NY they DO NOT want loiterers in their store. Especially guys like the one that sold Jodie her pistol. Did you know that you're not even supposed to touch a handgun unless you have a pistol license?
If a crime gun were somehow traced back (witnesses, store camera footage, suspect confession, etc) to that store, every effort would be made to close that store down, even if it means a code enforcement officer making up a bunch of BS violations to force it to shutter.
My point is more toward the fact that it was highly unrealistic, and done more for cinematic shorthand.
A more realistic scene within the confines of her character and the story, would be if she dug back in her archives, found a criminal-type who she had interviewed and achieved rapport/trust with, and had this person get the (illegal) weapon for her. -
boogymonster221 — 17 years ago(December 09, 2008 03:45 PM)
Have you ever watched a movie? I ask because I wonder what it is you've seen in any movie ever made that would make you believe that a fictional movie would feel the need to base the behavior of its characters on the policies of an actual politician. This is not "Bloomy's" New York. This is the fictional New York that every movie that has the balls (or budget) to sets its story in because it happens to be one of, if not the most, famous cities in the world. Has any movie ever cast an actor as Mayor Bloomberg, or even referred to his existence? Granted, Giuliani is frequently referred to in film and even stars in a couple, but only as a publicity stunt for both ends of the deal and only because like the city he used to serve, he is quite well known.
I'm not questioning whether or not the actual policies of the gun store are realistic, as you sound like you know more about it than I do, but constantly basing your argument on the mere existence of Mayor Bloomberg is like saying Deep Impact was "absolutely silly" because Morgan Freeman doesn't look like Bill Clinton (when in actuality, it's silly because it will forever be remembered as Armageddon's slightly slower twin brother).
Now, if you had said the scene was silly because she presumably had 1000 dollars in cash on her when the dealer asked for it (if she went to get it and came back, they didn't make it clear), I would have probably agreed with you. -
pcventures — 17 years ago(December 11, 2008 04:03 AM)
Fair enough but the difficult environment for both gun dealers and buyers isn't just Bloomberg's New York it's been like that going back decades.
I would probably have made very similar comments if the movie had been made during a Koch, Dinkins or Giuliani administration.
I recall a scene from the original Death Wish - Bronson's character takes a work-related business trip to Arizona and fires some guns at a range with a friend from the job. The friend of his reads between the lines that he wants some "justice" for the death of his wife and daughter, who were killed back in NYC. The friend simply gives Bronson a revolver, with a dash of coaching on how to get it safely home. -
TheRudeAbides — 17 years ago(January 27, 2009 10:20 PM)
haha Arizona(my state) along with other republican states are commonly referred to in terms of "gun access". It's not difficult to see why.
ahh the Red states.
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pcventures — 17 years ago(February 15, 2009 03:11 PM)
I wonder how many Granola-eating liberals that live in Vermont are really aware that their state allows open or concealed carry of handguns with no "permit" required - only the passing of a background check. I bet they'd crap granola clusters.
A guy named Kevin Baker has a great gun blog called The Smallest Minority. He's an Arizonan, and it's clear to me that AZ is a great place for shooters. -
TheRudeAbides — 17 years ago(February 22, 2009 03:08 PM)
"A guy named Kevin Baker has a great gun blog called The Smallest Minority. He's an Arizonan, and it's clear to me that AZ is a great place for shooters."
Amen, to AZ.
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bailey23_ — 16 years ago(January 04, 2010 05:21 PM)
I agree that the gun store owner would not let a man like that loiter, and his random presence would be reallly coincidental for real life, but I get approached to buy illegal things on the streets of NY ALL THE TIME. Drugs, bootleg DVDs, sex, stolen electronics, etc. Never a gun but I'm sure it's possible. I am a large white male and could easily be a cop, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. Chances will always be greater than someone isn't a cop than they are, and why would a cop be trying to get a gun at a gun shop in an illegal time frame without a permit in the first place? They would have a permit, would already have a gun, would know the laws already and wouldn't be wasting their time doing that on the off chance that someone in the shop will try to illegally sell them a gun once they leave.
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bailey23_ — 16 years ago(January 04, 2010 05:23 PM)
I agree that the gun store owner would not let a man like that loiter, and his random presence would be reallly coincidental for real life, but I get approached to buy illegal things on the streets of NY ALL THE TIME. Drugs, bootleg DVDs, sex, stolen electronics, etc. Never a gun but I'm sure it's possible. I am a large white male and could easily be a cop, but that doesn't seem to stop anyone. Chances will always be greater than someone isn't a cop than they are, and why would a cop be trying to get a gun at a gun shop in an illegal time frame without a permit in the first place? They would have a permit, would already have a gun, would know the laws already and wouldn't be wasting their time doing that on the off chance that someone in the shop will try to illegally sell them a gun once they leave.
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pcventures — 14 years ago(January 30, 2012 08:29 AM)
No I still enjoyed it, but I felt the scene was a case of just plain lazy writing As I mentioned before, it would have been both more realistic and more within the confines of her character's past if she simply got back in touch with someone she did a radio piece on and had them help her obtain the weapon.
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Edren — 14 years ago(February 01, 2012 04:23 AM)
Really? I thought it emphasised that she was on a one woman mission of retribution. It wouldn't have worked for me, if she had gone about it in a way that indicated she was totally in control of her actions.
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CorumJI — 9 years ago(June 06, 2016 05:33 PM)
I assumed that the gun shop owner let the Chinese guy hang around so that he could take part of the cut of the illegal gun sales.
LOL, that's probably far more sensible than the screenwriters were.
NY state is probably not as bad for guns as NYC, but it gets perverted more towards Victim Disarmament than it would be as a result of the two-ton Gorilla that is NYC and its dominance over state politics.
Says a lot that the citizens of the state itself (outside NYC) pretty much said "beep You" in the recent demand for gun registration. Mass refusal to comply, in one of the biggest single acts of civil disobedience in recent history. Connecticut, too.