Why Hawkeye and Black Widow?
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General_Ackbar — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 11:09 AM)
True. Ant Man would've been a pretty big risk in phase one. I imagine they were probably pretty anxious about Thor too. He absolutely requires the most SoD for me. But he's basically essential for the whole alien angle to work. Also, he's got far more name recognition than Ant Man.
Still though, I sort of wish they replaced Black Widow a bit earlier. She was the safe choice in phase one but giving her starring roles in so many of these movies seems wrong. Superficially speaking, she has no powers and doesn't deserve so much spotlight. You could make a valid argument that she's a good character, but personally I don't agree with that either. She works well with the cast and is plenty likable, but she's also a boring generic action movie cliche: the spy who can do anything just because she's a badass
Hawkeye is only in three movies, so I'm ok with him so far. But he really is starting to feel unneeded now that so many others are joining the franchise.
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bicuhang — 9 years ago(October 29, 2016 09:26 AM)
There have always been some nonpowered people in the Avengers. I'm actually glad to see the combination of both. It shows that not only enhanced can save the world.
Besides, Hawkeye is seen an every man in the movies.
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bicuhang — 9 years ago(October 29, 2016 09:34 AM)
Yes, I agree about the slow progression and into the Marvel world, starting light and going deeper into the weirdness that is the comic world (for non comic people).
I disagree about only having people with powers in the Avengers.
I think it's good to show 'normal' people fighting alongside enhanced. That's been shown in the comics for quite some time. And a lot of these people have skills of their own. Hawkeye is a sharpshooter, Widow is a spy, and both are excellent fighters. I think in the comics they are shown to actually have enhancements, which hasn't been shown in the movies. -
sna1990 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 11:15 PM)
They used The Hawk and Widow because they couldn't use SpiderMan and Wolverine. I would bet my left n*t to this day that had Marvel had the rights to these two characters, Natasha and Clint would never have even seen the light of day.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 10:45 AM)
True, except that both Hawkeye and BW were closely associated with The Avengers from very early on, whereas Spidey and Wolverine didn't join until 30 or 40 years after The Avengers first were published.
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haxemon — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 02:50 PM)
I personally would have loved a more classic telling of the original Avengers. But I can understand why they wanted SHIELD to tie it all together rather than just have some random heroes decide to team up. That in turn leads to Widow and Hawkeye who I personally have liked in the MCU.
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Janine-The-Barefoot — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 06:10 PM)
Although I LOVE both SJ & JR AND their characters and although I collected the West Coast Avengers comic book series (the group was started and headed by Clint Walker/Hawkeye) I will say that historically the real beginning of The Avengers started with Janet Van Dyne as The Wasp and "Ant Man" who went through a number of incarnations and eventually married her The Avengers were started and RUN by Van Dyne. She was the one in charge, the real power and authority behind them and they didn't, to my knowledge, answer to Shield or anyone else at that time. In point of fact, Hank Pym was kind of a weak character in comparison to her and one of the reasons he left the group and went crazy was because he couldn't find his "true self" and couldn't live in his wife's shadow.
Of course, that was also a VERY long time ago in a "galaxy SO FAR AWAY" very few will be old enough to remember it!
But I like BOTH characters and BOTH the actors who were chosen to portray them. I think SJ & Renner both ROCK!
That's just my opinion however. Along with a little bit of info on what Stan & Jack were actually writing at the series real beginning.
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