Why do humans cling to the delusion of "purpose"?
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matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 26, 2019 09:17 AM)
I'm afraid it doesn't work that way, it doesn't exist to others, it remains entirely imaginary, meaning it is an objective truth that it affects nothing except the imagination i.e. only the concept of it exists i.e. only the concept of it is real.
You can also take certain things from your imagination and turn it into a reality depending on what it is, this is including what you believe your purpose is.
There are imaginary things that can be made reality, yes, but "purpose" is not one of them.
You can believe your "purpose" is to be the best gardener in your town but objective truth is the universe does not reflect your human ego that way, you were and are free to be a poor gardener and be a decent painter instead.
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings' -
matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 28, 2019 08:35 PM)
Well we ultimately choose our own purpose in life because there is no objective reality.
Wrong, there is objective reality. The Stone Age lasted for over 3.4 million trips around the Sun and was followed by 6,000 trips around the Sun of non-Stone Age. That's historical fact proven with physical evidence but if you are thinking in more philosophical terms:
It is objective reality that I exist and that the patterns and concepts my mind deals with exist. It is also objective reality that meaning and logic exist.
Purpose has no meaning unless we create the meaning ourselves.
Wrong. The concept of "purpose" has simple meaning: that a hammer can be infused with the "purpose" of being used to hammer nails etc. or that a wooden chair can be infused with the "purpose" of being used to sit in. Basically that someone (e.g. the maker of a thing) gets to decide how a thing is to be used.
It’s only considered imaginary if we don’t put our own meaning into action.
Wrong. It remains imaginary no matter what we do.
If I believed my purpose in life was being a gardener for whatever reason and actually became one then it does become a reality.
No, it does not. You simply chose to be a gardener. You have no "purpose" because it is imaginary, only the idea of it exists in the mind. You cannot change that and I cannot change that.
It’s no longer imaginary.
Yes, it is.
We can also have more than just one purpose if we wanted to view it that way.
No, we can only have zero "purpose". What we have is plenty of utility.
Nothing is stopping you from being both a gardener and a painter
True but irrelevant.
Since you don’t think there’s such thing as a purpose then that becomes a truth only to you.
No, it is objective truth that "purpose" is a mythical quality. It is imaginary, it affects nothing except through the imagination.
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Woodyanders — 6 years ago(July 23, 2019 11:47 AM)
Because it gives us some valid and credible reason to exist. What's the point of even being alive unless you serve some useful purpose in your life?
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matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 23, 2019 11:52 AM)
Because it gives us some valid and credible reason to exist.
No, it doesn't. Our ancestors could have gone extinct 3.4 million years ago and that would be an equally valid universe.
What's the point of even being alive unless you serve some useful purpose in your life?
There is no point and there is no "purpose", it doesn't exist outside the imagination. You might as well be asking what's the point of being a hammer unless you are used to hammer specific types of nails into a specific type of wood. A hammer has
utility because utility is real.
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings' -
matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 23, 2019 10:29 PM)
I am sad at the thought of "Don't use your brain so much, have sex instead!" It makes me want to build a spaceship so I can die alone on the Moon away from this alien species.
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings' -
matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 23, 2019 11:23 PM)
Human beings are the reason 50% of Earth's plant species and 50% of the animal species (80% if we only count wildlife) have gone extinct in the last 100 years and the ice caps are about to turn into Waterworld. It took 3.4 million years for our ancestors to reach 1 billion, we went from that to over 7 billion in the last 200 years.
You know what you can do with your bonding and "taking joy in life" by rubbing your genitals together? Peddle it to someone else.
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings' -
Alpha Raven Andromeda — 6 years ago(July 24, 2019 11:43 AM)
Human beings are the reason 50% of Earth's plant species and 50% of the animal species (80% if we only count wildlife) have gone extinct in the last 100 years and the ice caps are about to turn into Waterworld. It took 3.4 million years for our ancestors to reach 1 billion, we went from that to over 7 billion in the last 200 years.
You know what you can do with your bonding and "taking joy in life" by rubbing your genitals together? Peddle it to someone else.
Oh, so you're a depressed person babbling about a philosophy you've created because you're unhappy in the universe. I commend the poster who pulled you back down to our level. Ever since you arrived, I'd been reading your posts thinking what the heck your problem was. I think you're delusional. I really hope you we van help you start feeling better about yourself. -
matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 24, 2019 11:50 AM)
I'm a broken and damaged and frustrated and depressed misanthrope, well done, Sherlock, but that does not make me delusional or wrong in what I'm saying.
I commend the poster who pulled you back down to our level.
What level is that? "What do you think nimda's feet smell like?" type threads?
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings' -
Alpha Raven Andromeda — 6 years ago(July 24, 2019 03:43 PM)
I'm a broken and damaged and frustrated and depressed misanthrope, well done, Sherlock, but that does not make me delusional or wrong in what I'm saying.
You're just trying to make us as depressed as you and I'm not trying to hear your delusions. -
Alpha Raven Andromeda — 6 years ago(July 24, 2019 05:40 PM)
Well, you're a misanthrope. That kind of explains itself, doesn't it? You're depressed and you hate people. I wouldn't put a misanthrope to get back at society by joining a message board to promote his depressing philosophies.
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matt_shade — 6 years ago(July 24, 2019 10:07 PM)
"Hate" is too strong, more like dislike to the point I wish people were already extinct.
And what exactly is depressing about "my philosophy"? That the universe does not revolve around us? Way to prove you're not an egomaniac.
'(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings'