Is Tyrion the Biggest Villain of the TV Series?
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:59 AM)
I wouldn't call him the biggest villain, but he is far from this "do-gooder" that people like to think he is. Tyrion's reason for killing Tywin was absurd. Tywin was even going to let Tyrion live, and get away with "killing" the King. Ned would have had Robb killed if found guilty for killing the king.
With all that said, I don't think Tyrion understood the consequences of killing Tywin. As in, I don't think he knew the capital would go to hell.
Also, I don't think giving Marcella to the Martels was a bad idea. Honestly, it would have worked perfectly if the sand snakes weren't so obsessed over their father dying IN A COMPLETELY LEGAL AND VOLUNTEER MANNER! Holy beep how they react to it makes me focking mad! -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:03 AM)
Also, I don't think giving Marcella to the Martels was a bad idea. Honestly, it would have worked perfectly if the sand snakes weren't so obsessed over their father dying IN A COMPLETELY LEGAL AND VOLUNTEER MANNER! Holy beep how they react to it makes me focking mad!
The Dornish are crazy, Tyrion the Bookworm should have known it. Doran and Trystane were reasonable but the risk was there and turned into a problem at the first occasion.
Long may she reign
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janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:36 AM)
The Dornish are crazy, Tyrion the Bookworm should have known it. Doran and Trystane were reasonable but the risk was there and turned into a problem at the first occasion.
Absolutely! Turns out Cersei was right, giving Myrcella to the Dornish was a terrible thing and, since it was Oberyn's death that made the sand snakes kill Myrcella, Tyrion is responsible for her death in two ways and, while she's been treating him unfairly for the most part, Cersei has every right to blame Tyrion in this particular case (and for the killing of Tywin, which was a pretty pointless thing to do for an otherwise smart character like Tyrion). -
janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:02 AM)
You could argue that if Cersei wasn't hellbent on making Tyrion guilty then Marcella would still be alive since no trial would have happened.
Well, yeah, alright, you could say that. Still, Tyrion should have known about the sand snakes and what they're capable of, if only by
specifically
informing himself about the possible dangers
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Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:04 AM)
I shall argue that Cersei and everyone else sincerely believed in Tyrion's guilt. My opinion is that Shae's testimony wasn't forced, she came up with it to get herself out of trouble, unless unless he did conspire the whole thing with Sansa and got played.
Long may she reign
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 10:27 AM)
Sansa definitely wasn't involved. She couldn't have poisoned the drink since only one stone was missing. The stone is clearly taken by QoT, now how she put it in the drink with nobody seeing it is beyond me.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:11 AM)
He tore a child from the arms of her mother without consent of her mother and gave her to unknown people who he knew were hostile.
Are you beep kidding me?
And, btw, that's not normal. Most times we do see parents have a say in who their child marries. He did it as much to spite Cersei as to secure the alliance.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:17 AM)
I'm not saying I would have done it or that I think it was okay. I was simply pointing out, it would have worked if the sand snakes weren't retarded. Marcella ended up falling in love with Doran, and all would have been well.
There would have been some kind of uproar, but ultimately without the sand snakes that alliance would have worked.
Tyrion did it as a power move over Cersei, but politically it was a decent move. Again, I dont think it was MORALLY okay since she was crying and Cersei was against it. Everything just ended up going wrong. -
byachmon — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 11:21 AM)
And of course, nobody had any reason to believe Kings Landing would stand, and everybody knew Stannis would execute the whole family if he won. Dorne wasn't a good choice, but sending her away was.
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janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
I don't think Tyrion understood the consequences of killing Tywin
I guess he would have been able to anticipate them, had he cared, but he didn't, not anymore at that point and why would he? His actions were somewhat understandeable from his point-of-view,
but
that doesn't make them "
good
" in any way (which basically ges for most the characters, the biggest exeption being the psychos Joffrey and Ramsay). If he had to kill a family member, why not Cersei? I always said, killing his father was pointless, uncalled for etc..
he is far from this "do-gooder" that people like to think he is
Exactly. And that's a good thing. would be to cheesy otherwise. Being more likeable than the rest of the Lannisters doesn't make him a "good guy" in the clichd sense. He's a human being and, therefore, capable of doing selfish and/or stupid things, which occasionally he does. Not to mention he's part of this totally brutal world, by today's standards every single one of these characters would be put in jail for life, except maybe Hot Pie -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:59 AM)
I don't see how this is any different from Viserys selling Dany or LF selling Sansa.
It is worse since neither Viserys nor Littlefinger knew of a hostile predisposition of the Dothraki or the Boltons towards the woman they gave them. Sending Myrcella to the Martells was a consciously taken risk.
Why? There is no Tysha reveal.
It made no difference and even if it did, risking the stability of the realm and the fate of his family out of revenge on one man wasn't justified anyway.
Daenerys is still the worse danger but his siding with her places him in fitting company.
Long may she reign
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:02 AM)
Viserys definitely knew and/or didn't care about how savage the Dothraki were with women. "I'd let the whole army Fock you, and their horses too if that's what it took." He really didn't care what would happen to her.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:04 AM)
He ordered Gregor's men to massacre civilians by the hundreds during the war of the five kings. He sacked King's Landing. He had the Targaryen babies killed. "Nobody is really innocent in GoT" is complete BS.
