Is Tyrion the Biggest Villain of the TV Series?
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janhommer — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
I don't think Tyrion understood the consequences of killing Tywin
I guess he would have been able to anticipate them, had he cared, but he didn't, not anymore at that point and why would he? His actions were somewhat understandeable from his point-of-view,
but
that doesn't make them "
good
" in any way (which basically ges for most the characters, the biggest exeption being the psychos Joffrey and Ramsay). If he had to kill a family member, why not Cersei? I always said, killing his father was pointless, uncalled for etc..
he is far from this "do-gooder" that people like to think he is
Exactly. And that's a good thing. would be to cheesy otherwise. Being more likeable than the rest of the Lannisters doesn't make him a "good guy" in the clichd sense. He's a human being and, therefore, capable of doing selfish and/or stupid things, which occasionally he does. Not to mention he's part of this totally brutal world, by today's standards every single one of these characters would be put in jail for life, except maybe Hot Pie -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:59 AM)
I don't see how this is any different from Viserys selling Dany or LF selling Sansa.
It is worse since neither Viserys nor Littlefinger knew of a hostile predisposition of the Dothraki or the Boltons towards the woman they gave them. Sending Myrcella to the Martells was a consciously taken risk.
Why? There is no Tysha reveal.
It made no difference and even if it did, risking the stability of the realm and the fate of his family out of revenge on one man wasn't justified anyway.
Daenerys is still the worse danger but his siding with her places him in fitting company.
Long may she reign
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:02 AM)
Viserys definitely knew and/or didn't care about how savage the Dothraki were with women. "I'd let the whole army Fock you, and their horses too if that's what it took." He really didn't care what would happen to her.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:04 AM)
He ordered Gregor's men to massacre civilians by the hundreds during the war of the five kings. He sacked King's Landing. He had the Targaryen babies killed. "Nobody is really innocent in GoT" is complete BS.
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Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:09 AM)
There were other heirs such as Viserys and Dany, and committing such a heinous act only triggered others to start plotting against house Lannister such as Varys, Oberyn and Doran. If anything it only fueled the need for revenge.
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Silkworth-Johnson-III — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:18 AM)
The idea of wanting them all dead to quell future uprising is separate from Stannis not getting to Dragonstone on time. It actually proves the point, because Varys' efforts are due to Viserys and Dany surviving.
Dorne never had the numbers to get revenge, and with no claimants to back, nobody else would have lined up behind them. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:12 AM)
He ordered Gregor to raid the villageswhich is a completely normal thing to do during war. Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
Killing the Targ babies (the bloodline) is exactly what everybody did during after wars. You don't want people still taking the Targ side due to an heir being alive. -
Con_Thompson — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:16 AM)
Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
It's blood on Tywin's hands by proxy, Gregor is a mindless servant. If you kill a hundred people with mustard gas, it's the guy who releases it who is accountable.
Killing the Targ babies (the bloodline) is exactly what everybody did during after wars. You don't want people still taking the Targ side due to an heir being alive.
The Starks wouldn't have done so in the same situation. The reasoning behind it is easily understandable but it doesn't make it any less evil. -
Silkworth-Johnson-III — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:30 AM)
The Starks wouldn't have done so in the same situation. The reasoning behind it is easily understandable but it doesn't make it any less evil.
Which is why the Starks are always on the endangered list. It's a utilitarian method, primarily to prevent the need to keep having to watch your back for revenge, but also means there's one less reason for war to reignite. More peace, less death. -
vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:32 AM)
The Starks may not have done it, but look at what the Stark mentality gets you. Starting wars and losing them because of "love." The Starks have killed more people with their "honor" than Tywin ever did.
Again, I dont agree with what the Mountain does, but at the same time Tywin needed his raiding group. The difference between the mountain raiding with his men and a different raiding party is a couple upticks on the brutal side. People are still going to be killed -
Leo_ofRedKeep — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:24 AM)
Gregor's methods are definitely overboard, but that is Gregor not Tywin.
Tywin knew of Gregor's methods. He is responsible.
As much as I loved him, I do not approve of all he did. His use of the Mountain and his terrible plan to marry Cersei off again were issues I had with him.
Long may she reign
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:06 AM)
He killed someone who declared war on him in a way that prevented needless slaughter of his own men. He was right to do what he did to Robb, easily the most selfish character in the entire series.
Tywin was a villain but most of his deaths weren't just selfish the way Tyrion's was.
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vjfoogie — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 09:35 AM)
Tywin had no intention of executing Tyrion until the TBC was lost. He had every intention to send him to the wall. Most of your other points I sort of agree with though.
We can blame the indirect or direct blame game all we want, but Tywin's death did directly led to a lot of bad stuff.
