"Homosexuals are essentially a running joke, a la "You Know How I Know You're Gay" dialog between Paul Rudd and Seth Rog
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sohamorrohit-125-260623 — 14 years ago(April 01, 2012 10:31 AM)
Yes but that "choice" is being forced upon homosexuals. They are not choosing it by themselves. If you really think that a gay man will feel comfortable in a sexual relationship with a woman then why don't you try having sex with a gay man and tell me you felt comfortable yourself?
Do you really believe that after all this negativity and discrimination a person would still WILLINGLY chose to be gay? When the alternative makes life so much easier? They don't because they CAN'T. It's no more a matter of choice. Our psyche is as much a part of our being as our bodies are. Why would you try to to mutate it against someone's will? Is THAT morally right? -
allhailmrvale — 14 years ago(February 26, 2012 08:59 AM)
I'm afraid your question verges on the rhetorical. Without resort to faith no person could justify bashing - verbally or otherwise - another human for their sexual preferences in anything approaching a satisfactory manner.
The 2 main themes that seem to be running through this thread are-- That homosexuality is an unnatural practice therefore it is wrong. Unnatural has been defined (by this thread) as meaning either (i) sexual acts that do not involve the production of a child or (ii) relationships that do not adhere to a model of a family unit that is characterised by procreating (apparently monogomous) same sex partnerships and the resultant offspring.
- That equality laws - i.e. that everyone in society should be treated in the same way - enable minority groups to hold sway over the majority. These arguments seem to fall into two categories: (i) that people expressing a hatred of other are prevented from doing so. For example; Christians are not allowed to convene groups that condemn homosexuals and state that they are going to hell forever for expressing their sexuality. (ii) A dislike of an individual's behaviour. For example; a person finding it offensive that a man would walk down the street with his top off during a gay pride march.
My reasoned rebuttal to this is:
1i) Puritanical nonsense! - hope you've never given/received oral sex or you my friend are an unnatural deviant. Anal sex is not exclusive to homosexuals neither is rampant promiscuity, AIDS or other STD's. Love, companionship and monogamy are not the exclusive domain of heterosexuals.
ii) There is no 'natural' family unit. This is a socially constructed idea and will vary from decade to decade and country to country if not state to state. A child that is brought up by people who loves and supports them is far better than forcing people to conform to some stereotype invented by ad execs in the 1950's. Would a pair of people who are the same sex but not in a sexual relationship and raising a child together be considered to be unnatural? If not, why does it matter whether they are having sex or not?
2i) There seem to be a few issue at play here - an acceptance that a statement no matter how hateful and abhorrent is justified if it is a religious belief; i) There is no proof of the existence of the supernatural (ii) Would it be acceptable if it was a Muslim group stating that all non Muslims should be executed? (iii) Threatening people with an eternity of torture for expressing themselves is acceptable (iv) That homosexuality is a belief or lifestyle choice. Heterosexuality is not a belief or lifestyle. There may be certain beliefs or lifestyles that define themselves as being heterosexual but one does not follow the other. For example a man may have a sexual relationship with a woman and also watch football. This does not mean that watching football is a heterosexual past time. The media may represent football as a heterosexual past time but that does not make it so.
ii) Condemning a whole subsection of society because of the actions of a few is pretty ignorant. Or do you have empirical evidence that all homosexuals behave in this way?
In conclusion, having hopefully relied on reason and logic I will now engage in some unsubstantiated and wild speculation. - the chat about the hardwiring of hatred towards homosexuals seems to be pretty ridiculous in justifying bigotry and providing a salacious hetero fantasy; firstly I'm sure the straight cavemen would have been happy to oblige the local cavewoman; secondly I doubt whether cavemen identified as being gay or straight - they may well have engaged in both homo and heterosexual relationships. As mentioned already I have no evidence and have read very little on the matter but would speculate that homosexual behaviour does serve a purpose in terms of human evolution and it is undeniable that homosexual individuals and communities have hugely enriched human society in innumerable ways.
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Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(November 10, 2013 07:07 PM)
I don't see how I can deny someone a right to marry same sex, bicycle, tree, umbrella, cow, ship, car and etc. If you want to be that dumb knock yourself out, you have my blessing.
Funny, you try to make yourself sound tolerant, but your condescension and patronizing tone give yourself away. Anyone with half a brain knows that bicycle, trees, umbrellas, cows, ships, cars, other inanimate objects, children, and other animals CAN'T SIGN MARRIAGE CONTRACTS. Duh. -
BoogieKnight — 13 years ago(July 12, 2012 04:10 AM)
Apparently ardent support for polygamy and incest are legitimate reasons to gay bash.
"I don't like black people in general"
This is a very good example as to why the gay rights struggle is almost over. People like you have helped to clearly establish who truly has right on their side. Good luck in your personal struggles to marry your sister or your mother. -
jstang411 — 13 years ago(August 22, 2012 09:39 AM)
I don't like black people in general but I'll make an exception as this guy makes very good anti-gay arguments
I hope you at least do understand how comments like that at least make you seem less than open-minded. The tag pic with the card about "only inferior white woman" dating outside their race is a bit telling too.
But hey, much as I disagree am in full support of your right to say what you do. If I suport your censorship I am supporting that of myself down the road. -
nyamcz — 13 years ago(February 24, 2013 01:41 PM)
What a greate step in our evolution, to accept more and more human anomalies, what's next? accept pedos because they are a minority too?
How come 99% of the pedos are also homos and regarding the title i think is self-explanatory. -
Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(November 09, 2013 08:35 PM)
What a greate step in our evolution, to accept more and more human anomalies, what's next? accept pedos because they are a minority too?
How come 99% of the pedos are also homos and regarding the title i think is self-explanatory
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You can't compare pedophilia with homosexuality. Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubertal children. That is, children under the age of 13. And pedophiles are not necessarily child molestors. Child molestors actually coerce, drug, and rape children. Gay adults generally want to be with other consenting adults of the same sex. AND ANOTHER THING. Psychologists will tell you that the majority of child molestors are STRAIGHT MEN. Just the same: most of the guys who rape other guys in prison are STRAIGHT MEN. Open a book sometime. You might learn something. -
snoho — 13 years ago(March 08, 2013 06:36 PM)
There is NO reasoning. It's plain old and simple bigotry. The hatred for people that happen to be different from you. In my opinion that just makes you a rather unlikable person. That's the way I see it. I couldn't give a damn for why they have this hatred tbh. Where I come from people that are homophobic are being outcasted because these days people have just had enough.
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hadmatter — 12 years ago(April 27, 2013 12:38 PM)
People have the "right to disagree" with anything. It doesn't make them reasonable, it doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean that the thing they disagree with is actually what they say it is.
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hadmatter — 12 years ago(April 27, 2013 12:41 PM)
Why are there AIDS clinics for only homosexuals?
Why are there shelters only for women? Why are there historically Black colleges? What does this question have to do with anything?
And what's up with NAMBLA?
What do you mean? NAMBLA is a gross organization that everybody hates. Do you think it represents all homosexuals?
What's up with wife-beating?
What's up with uncles who touch little girls?
What's up with date rape?
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jjordmaniakk — 12 years ago(December 13, 2013 10:43 PM)
I would speculate that the 'hatred' (strong word) is due to the minority of gay men who prance around like fairies talking in the most ridiculous, forced manner that makes you want to break their nose. And it is because that this behaviour comes off as forced that people don't like it. If that is who you are, fine. But I have a VERY hard time imagining a gay man acting this way 15 odd years ago.
But like I said, its the minority who act like this. I've known a few gay men in the past - only one acted like this. The rest I didn't realise were gay!! I was told by others, months and months after!
Just goes to show that if you don't judge everything so harshly, you could end up best friends with a gay dude who you think is straight. He he he, that would make for a funny situation if the straight dude was a homophobe, eh? What would he do once he, ahem, 'found out', he he he.
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bigBang8 — 12 years ago(January 12, 2014 03:33 AM)
Because gays talk in a very feminine fashion (most/some), which makes other men seem/feel ashamed, less manly, basically gays are a disgrace of manhood. Being gay is not normal, it's a different sexual orientation completely detached from normality. That aside, i have nothing against gays, it's their choice.
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