Was getting divorced THAT big a deal?
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cujokay — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 01:28 PM)
I think it wasn`t the divorce itself, but the lack of money the divorce would cause. It was a monetary, not a morality matter.
I agree. In quite a few of the murders where the husband killed the wife, it was the wife who had the money; the husband was pretty much freeloading. -
rosarypliers — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 01:58 PM)
That was the case with Dr. Fleming, who was also a total psychopath. He didn't mind the murder. All that counted for him was that there was no place for her in his life, and that as long as he got away with it, murder was not an issue.
In some other cases, public perception may have played a part. If you are a conservative politician, being exposed as an adulterer is not good for your career.
Barsini was already divorced, but he was unable to let loose. Being divorced was not enough, he wanted her rather dead than with another man.
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cujokay — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 02:12 PM)
That was the case with Dr. Fleming
Yes, Dr. Fleming from the original "Prescription Murder".
That was also the case for Paul Galesko in "Negative Reaction", The maestro, Alex Benedict in "Etude in Black" and the police commissioner in "A Friend in Deed". These are just off the top of my head.
..who was also a total psychopath. He didn't mind the murder. All that counted for him was that there was no place for her in his life, and that as long as he got away with it, murder was not an issue.
I agree. He was one of the most cold-hearted killers although there are others that fit that profile.
In some other cases, public perception may have played a part. If you are a conservative politician, being exposed as an adulterer is not good for your career.
I agree again.
Barsini was already divorced, but he was unable to let loose. Being divorced was not enough, he wanted her rather dead than with another man.
Funny you mention "Murder, a Self Portrait. I remember watching that show eons ago with my mom and she found him despicable. She said he was "greedy, not needy". lol My mom was something else! -
rosarypliers — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 03:52 PM)
"Murder, a Self Portrait. I remember watching that show eons ago with my mom and she found him despicable. She said he was "greedy, not needy". lol My mom was something else!
His first murder was the more traditional perception of greed. Monetary issues. When he are introduced to him and his "household", we get an impression of a different kind of greedy. He wants what he wants, even if that means that his own needs not only come first, butonly. At some time in the past he dumped Louise for another woman but did not allow her to dump him. She lives next to him (I loved Columbo's face when he saw the two "Barsini" mailboxes next to each other) and cooks cioppino for himwhich, apparently, his second wife is unable or unwilling to cook for him. Vanessa (I think that was her name) is not without her advantages, either. She is an attractive woman with a sense for business, but Barsini likes to top off his private life with a really young girlfriend. He likes his lifestyle, and he doesn't care that none of the three women are 100% satisfied with the solution. The long-suffering Louise has found love again, plus, she's probably haunted by the murderous secret from the past. Vanessa wants the much younger woman out of the house, and as far as the girl is concernedshe does not like Vanessa, she even says so during the "family dinner".
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cujokay — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 03:58 PM)
His first murder was the more traditional perception of greed. Monetary issues. When he are introduced to him and his "household", we get an impression of a different kind of greedy. He wants what he wants, even if that means that his own needs not only come first, butonly. At some time in the past he dumped Louise for another woman but did not allow her to dump him. She lives next to him (I loved Columbo's face when he saw the two "Barsini" mailboxes next to each other) and cooks cioppino for himwhich, apparently, his second wife is unable or unwilling to cook for him. Vanessa (I think that was her name) is not without her advantages, either. She is an attractive woman with a sense for business, but Barsini likes to top off his private life with a really young girlfriend. He likes his lifestyle, and he doesn't care that none of the three women are 100% satisfied with the solution. The long-suffering Louise has found love again, plus, she's probably haunted by the murderous secret from the past. Vanessa wants the much younger woman out of the house, and as far as the girl is concernedshe does not like Vanessa, she even says so during the "family dinner".
I'm old. I'm a grandma. You don't have to explain the episodes to me; I've seen them all a hundred times.
My mom's comment about him being greedy had everything to do with the women. If you recall, it takes a while to even find out that he killed that man earlier. He was a pig, plain and simple and like you said only took his own feelings into consideration. His "second" wife, "Vanessa" was actually Peter Falk's wife in real life. Her name is Shera Danese. They were married until his death in 2011. Just a little trivia if you didn't know it. If you did, forgive my rumblings. lol -
lorraine1232 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 05:28 PM)
I saw Shera Denise in at least 2 other Columbo eps. She was the girlfriend of the murdering food critic in Murder Under Glass and the affair partner/co-murderer of her husbands enemy in A Trace of Murder ( I think that's the ep title).
Did you ever see the Peter Falk bio, Just One More Thing? She's in it a lot talking about how they met, and their marriage. -
cujokay — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 04:17 PM)
Did you ever see the Peter Falk bio, Just One More Thing? She's in it a lot talking about how they met, and their marriage.
No, I never saw it. I'll have to try and find it. I do have the book by the same name written by Peter Falk. -
lorraine1232 — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 05:25 PM)
I think it was an A&E special. I got it in a set of the old Columbia House vhs tapes.
I never knew of that book, or that Peter Falk wrote one! I have a rare out of print one called The Columbo Phile. Cost me over $100 on eBay, most expensive book I ever bought! -
rosarypliers — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 01:24 PM)
I knew that, but it doesn't matter. Isn't it a bit ironic that while Columbo's wife is never seen on the show, Peter Falk's wife was a semi-regular?
I'm neither a grandmother, nor a mother, by the way. I did watch some episodes with my maternal grandma, though. She introduced me to the show. She really liked the little Lieutenant.
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cujokay — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 03:59 PM)
I knew that, but it doesn't matter. Isn't it a bit ironic that while Columbo's wife is never seen on the show, Peter Falk's wife was a semi-regular?
I'm neither a grandmother, nor a mother, by the way. I did watch some episodes with my maternal grandma, though. She introduced me to the show. She really liked the little Lieutenant.
I remembered we had "spoken" quite a bit but didn't remember if I'd told you I've watched this show since its original run! lol
I also find it ironic that the TV wife was never shown but that's been done before so I didn't find it that big a deal.
I thought it was "fun" that his real wife was often on the show. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think they were ever a couple on the show. Correct me if I'm wrong.
My sons are in their 30s now and I introduced them to Columbo while they were in their teens. My oldest has a 14-year-old daughter that LOVES Columbo. She often spends the night on Saturdays so we can have a Colummbo marathon; we usually watch 2/3 episodes. It's fun that she enjoys something that I love. It's very special to me. -
McCartney42 — 9 years ago(June 30, 2016 11:09 AM)
Paul Galesko didn't kill because of money. Neither did Alex Benedict. In "Negative Reaction", Paul Galesko murdered his wife because she was a nagging b**tch and she was always insulting him. In "Etude to Black", Benedict murdered his mistress Jennifer Welles because she was blackmailing him. Get a divorce or I tell her type of thing.
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cujokay — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 06:02 PM)
In "Etude to Black", Benedict murdered his mistress Jennifer Welles because she was blackmailing him. Get a divorce or I tell her type of thing.
Which would have upset his mother-in-law (forget about the wife) who held the purse strings. She made it VERY clear that if anyone messed with her daughter or her business they'd be out on their ear. -
lorraine1232 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 04:26 PM)
That must have been the reason in Negative Reaction. He didn't seem all that rich to me, but I guess the wife was? But she seemed to keep him on a pretty tight leash financially so I don't quite get the advantage of killing her, other then she was quite a shrew, and he did have that hottie assistant.
Also Playback, but it was the mother in law killed, not the wife. I think she might have even stuck by him had he not like, killed her mother. -
cujokay — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 04:15 PM)
That must have been the reason in Negative Reaction. He didn't seem all that rich to me, but I guess the wife was? But she seemed to keep him on a pretty tight leash financially so I don't quite get the advantage of killing her, other then she was quite a shrew, and he did have that hottie assistant.
It was definitely the wife who had the money. The funny thing was she was on all these boards and was giving away money left and right; I never quite understood the murder. Yes, she was a shrew and was giving him the business but wouldn't logic dictate that she would leave the bulk of her estate to charity rather than the husband she despised and humiliated?
Also Playback, but it was the mother in law killed, not the wife. I think she might have even stuck by him had he not like, killed her mother.
The mother-in-law held the purse strings. This one was exceptionally sad because it seemed they really loved each other. The mother was tired of him wasting "her" money on "gadgets" and was forcing him to step down. He hated his mother-in-law but I always got the impression he loved his wife. -
Justice5 — 9 years ago(July 08, 2016 09:05 PM)
I didn't get the feeling that the Playback husband was so in love with his wife. He was very condescending to her; treating her like a child. There was a scene where he dismissed her to bed and proceeded to place her on that stair lift and hit the button to have it take her up the stairs-no discussion. My daughter and I were incredulous at that scene. I would have tumbled out of that chair down the steps and dared him to get rid of me.
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cujokay — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 11:57 AM)
Haven't seen that episode in a while. I thought he did that because he and her mother were going to have it out and he was sparing her. It upset her when they argued. I didn't look at as dismissive as you did. I'll have to watch it again.
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Justice5 — 9 years ago(July 09, 2016 07:39 PM)
Yes, please re-watch. Her suggestion that she run the company was met with hostility-he believed it to be the epitome of ridiculousness. He had a total lack of respect for her abilities that did not appear to be being protective. If she had taken it over, she would have seen as did her mother what a needless strain his excesses where on the bottom line. He was keeping her ignorant. She even had to "check" Columbo when he behaved as if his dog's paws being up on her lap caused her undo pain and crisis.