It "smears" particles into a nebulous cloud of potential positions over time that don't manifest themselves as composite
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filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 03:59 AM)
I was not "insisting" it would abruptly stop. It is however logical to assume that it will stop. Perhaps you already noticed that the periodic chart of the elements has in fact stopped.
Actually a new couple of elements were added last year lol
It is also disingenuous to equate the whole wide field of knowledge with just a single table. Has the whole of human understanding come to grinding halt you think - or just the bit you hope will find out no more?
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 08:55 PM)
So what's preventing Christians from accepting that the Universe didn't have to come into being?
Dementia flaring up again?
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/264932739?d=264941020#264941020 -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 10, 2017 03:57 AM)
So what's preventing Christians from accepting that the Universe didn't have to come into being?
Dementia flaring up again?
I don't think so. They can't all suffer from senility.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
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AbsolutelyThoughtfulGoz — 9 years ago(January 10, 2017 04:20 PM)
The Creator of God thought it would be a good idea.
His Creator was in agreement so it was all systems go.
Fortunately Great Grandfather Creator was dead and in Heaven, so he couldn't have a say, and he was an ornery intelligent old man with a white beard, and really really smart about science and physics and stuff, so they were all relieved when he 'passed'! -
shaun3701 — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 10:22 PM)
Unless that IS the correct answer, which isn't an "easy" answer at all. Timelessness is something beyond our comprehension. Everything we know and perceive has a beginning and an end, God has neither. God does not compute in our primitive brains. The fact that we don't understand Him does not negate His existence.
Those of us who are spiritually attuned can feel God, see Him, hear His voice, converse with Him. But be careful to use only Biblical scriptures as your guide when you navigate the spiritual realm, otherwise Satan and his demons can speak to you just as easily pretending to be God's voice. -
gladoscake — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 01:32 AM)
Unless that IS the correct answer, which isn't an "easy" answer at all. Timelessness is something beyond our comprehension. Everything we know and perceive has a beginning and an end, God has neither. God does not compute in our primitive brains. The fact that we don't understand Him does not negate His existence.
Those of us who are spiritually attuned can feel God, see Him, hear His voice, converse with Him. But be careful to use only Biblical scriptures as your guide when you navigate the spiritual realm, otherwise Satan and his demons can speak to you just as easily pretending to be God's voice.
Wait a minute. So no one can understand nor hope to comprehend the transcending understanding and governing mind of Yaweh, yet there are people that are attuned and can understand him? you just destroyed your argument oh well, your Bible says that NDE's are false because apparently no one has seen god, yet many Christians like to use their holy "testimonies" to convince people to join into the delusion. -
worshipper_pa — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 01:18 PM)
shaun3701:
Timelessness is something beyond our comprehension. Everything we know and perceive has a beginning and an end, God has neither. God does not compute in our primitive brains. The fact that we don't understand Him does not negate His existence.
What you wrote here demonstrates strongly why religion is so bad to human mind.
Religion makes people think they can't understand certain things. That some things are beyond our comprehension. We don't know if that is the case. When we think we can't understand something we stop asking questions and that's bad. We must keep asking questions and work hard to understand as much as possible. Every generation can take the understanding of the previous generations as their "starting point" and reach higher.
True, simpletons and ignorants can't understand much anything, but there are smart people out there. Really smart people. People who are well educated not ignorant. People with high IQ. The difference between an intellectual and a simpleton is staggering. Ignorant people don't seem to even know what it means to understand something. Understanding is complete strange to them. Unless you are the smartest person in the world, some people can understand more than you. Your limitations are not their limitations. You can't perhaps understand how an universe can appear out of nothing, but Lawrence M. Krauss can. Even I can understand it more or less and my understanding isn't even near mr. Krauss. Do you listen to people like mr. Krauss? Do you try to understand what they try to teach laymen about the universe?
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shaun3701 — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 06:14 PM)
We don't know if that is the case.
Yes we do. The human mind will never fully understand the workings of the universe, that's a fact.
When we think we can't understand something we stop asking questions
No, we don't. Maybe you do.
You can't perhaps understand how an universe can appear out of nothing, but Lawrence M. Krauss can. Even I can understand it more or less and my understanding isn't even near mr. Krauss.
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dozzy2003 — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 07:38 PM)
The human mind will never fully understand the workings of the universe, that's a fact.
No, that isn't a fact. That's a statement that you're incapable of demonstrating. The word "fact" doesn't mean what you think it means.
So this man is your god.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? You sound like you have a things for gods, brah.
I can assure you, he knows nothing.
Do you have a thing for ridiculous hyperboles too?
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AtheismBecauseReason — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 08:32 PM)
Unless that IS the correct answer
Which has never been demonstrated. It's the same problem theists always ignore. You don't just get to assume something is correct with zero evidence.
God does not compute in our primitive brains.
Ok so you don't know he exists then.
Those of us who are spiritually attuned can feel God, see Him, hear His voice, converse with Him.
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Cademon — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 07:51 PM)
Because most are hard-naturalists and see nature as occurring prior (every which way) to the willful, mindful ect. The most consistent pov would be eliminativism of abstract objects + thought, hence why Plantinga, in that essay I linked on the other thread, made the conscious choice to quote Pat Churchland in the introduction.
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Karl Aksel — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 02:05 AM)
What the question actually means is "why do atheists thing god had to be created?" The answer is that it is merely a logical extension of the argument that the universe had to have a creator - if you make some sort of exception for God, then that's special pleading. If you insist God
didn't
have a creator, why insist that the universe did? "God" is a pointless link to the chain that provides no actual answers.