Not even his own wife had heard of him.
-
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 05:13 PM)
that he went on and incorporated her objections in his revised text was certainly open minded but, then again showed a realisation that he was not entirely right on the night
From my link:
"he accepted that he had been unclear and revised Chapter III of the book. Ironically, many philosophers disagree with Anscombe's argument, and maintain that the original chapter was philosophically sound, and that Lewis did not need to rewrite it."
When I said 'lost' to Anscombe that was probably an overstatement
Yeah, probably, but thanks for acknowledging that you were
unclear
. Also thanks for the
revision
of your statement. (See what we did there?
A context for this can be found here, btw:
All of that can be found in my link. If you had it read it, you would have known that reposting it from somewhere else was unnecessary. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 05:08 AM)
Ironically, many philosophers disagree with Anscombe's argument, and maintain that the original chapter was philosophically sound, and that Lewis did not need to rewrite it."
And others don't. Like everyone else who considers such arcane matters, Lewis did not have a monopoly over truths; and even if he did, as he ruefully came to realise, often it was not truths that he could necessarily make overwhelmingly persuasive to others.
Also thanks for the revision of your statement. (See what we did there?
We showed that I was as open minded as Lewis was by revising in the light of later consideration?
If you had it read it, you would have known that reposting it from somewhere else was unnecessary.
I have noticed that not everyone here bothers with links. Human nature and all.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
rt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 09, 2017 10:02 AM)
Lewis did not have a monopoly over truths
Did he claim to?
We showed that I was as open minded as Lewis was by revising in the light of later consideration?
Depends. Did you revise your statement for clarification, or did you revise it because you realized you were wrong?
I have noticed that not everyone here bothers with links.
Are you someone who doesn't bother with links? Or are you just someone who didn't bother with that one? -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 10, 2017 02:57 AM)
Lewis did not have a monopoly over truths
Did he claim to?
No, didn't you know? I am glad to help.
Did you revise your statement for clarification, or did you revise it because you realized you were wrong?
More clarification.
Are you someone who doesn't bother with links? Or are you just someone who didn't bother with that one?
I bother with promising-looking links. The others (normally bald yootoob ones), I leave for those more interested in cats playing pianos and the like. The present one I clicked on, and offered a service to less active readers thereafter. I hope this helps.
Thank you for the cross examination, which I am sure was worthwhile. But one wonders at this point whether you have got anybody else to talk to.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 10, 2017 03:27 PM)
No, didn't you know? I am glad to help.
Thanks for being glad to help.
More clarification.
Then yes, we showed that you were as open-minded as Lewis was by revising in the light of later consideration.
I hope this helps.
I suppose it did indeed. Thanks.
But one wonders at this point whether you have got anybody else to talk to.
By "one", do you mean you or a 'less active reader'? Either way, no, it's just you. You are my one and only; the only one I need. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 11, 2017 04:38 AM)
No, didn't you know? I am glad to help.
Thanks for being glad to help.
My pleasure.
Then yes, we showed that you were as open-minded as Lewis was by revising in the light of later consideration
Thank you.
Thanks.
Once again, you are welcome.
You are my one and only; the only one I need.
If you want a date you will need to work on your make up skills.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 05:22 AM)
I think you need to switch the light on sometimes, it wasn't me. If you partner had long hair and wore perfume too, you might be drinking in the wrong type of bar.
Also, unfortunately I am not
your
FF. I am not God.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 07:05 PM)
I think you need to switch the light on sometimes, it wasn't me.
Is your avatar photo not you?
If you partner had long hair and wore perfume too, you might be drinking in the wrong type of bar.
Is it the 1950's again? Tell Beaver Cleaver to come see me. I need him to set the table and put on a tie. We're having the neighbors over for supper.
Also, unfortunately I am not
your
FF.
I don't like sharing. What's mine is mine and if I share it with someone else, it becomes less mine.
I am not God.
Yeah, neither am I. Looks like we were made for each other. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 04:12 AM)
I think you need to switch the light on sometimes, it wasn't me.
Is your avatar photo not you?
Indeed it is. Incidentally can you send me some more of yours? All I could tell from the others is that things look like they want ironing and trimming back some.
Is it the 1950's again? Tell Beaver Cleaver to come see me. I need him to set the table and put on a tie. We're having the neighbors over for supper.
I am not sure what a beaver cleaver is and am not going to ask. It must be a girlie thing.
I don't like sharing. What's mine is mine and if I share it with someone else, it becomes less mine.
I guess the personal God thing is a problem then huh?
I am not God.
Yeah, neither am I. Looks like we were made for each other
It depends on how well you are made. You come apart on me so often.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 13, 2017 01:17 PM)
Indeed it is.
Then I'll repeat:
Your
lipstick doesn't bother
me
,
my FF
.
Incidentally can you send me some more of yours?
Last time I used a photo of myself for an avatar, I had similar problems as Monica does. You can always Google pictures of Lexi Belle clown, although you might want to keep the filter on if your shirt is tightly stuffed in.
I am not sure what a beaver cleaver is and am not going to ask. It must be a girlie thing.
I guess the personal God thing is a problem then huh?
If you mean 'personal' as in 'mine', then yes, it is. So you're finally coming around, then?
It depends on how well you are made.
If you're a product of random blindness, your standards shouldn't be very high.
You come apart on me so often.
Well, Iumnever mind. I think the rules say I have to be clean here. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 03:40 AM)
Indeed it is. [my picture]
Then I'll repeat: Your lipstick doesn't bother me, my FF
Better give it back though, after all it was really meant as a Xmas present for my mother.
Last time I used a photo of myself for an avatar, I had similar problems as Monica does.
The character from
Friends
? OCD and a desire to get a baby?
If you mean 'personal' as in 'mine', then yes, it is.
And you are welcome to it.
If you're a product of random blindness, your standards shouldn't be very high.
Fortunately I am much more a product of empiricism, humanism and doubt.
I think the rules say I have to be clean here.
No worries. I can wait while you take the shower.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 11:38 AM)
it was really meant as a Xmas present for my mother.
Then why are you wearing it like Betty Boop?
The character from
Friends
?
You know Monica from
Friends
, but you don't know Beaver Cleaver from
Leave It to Beaver
? That's just wrong, FF.
And you are welcome to it.
But it's
your
problem.
Fortunately I am much more a product of empiricism, humanism and doubt.
Yeah, you're a regular grab bag.
No worries. I can wait while you take the shower.
Can I take yours? -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 03:40 AM)
it was really meant as a Xmas present for my mother.
Then why are you wearing it like Betty Boop?
I am impressed you think you can make out lip colour in a black & white image especially where unlikely. Or drag a joke out for so long without sensing boredom).
You know Monica from Friends, but you don't know Beaver Cleaver from Leave It to Beaver? That's just wrong, FF.
I don't have such wide encounters with high culture as you, unfortunately.
And you are welcome to it.
But it's your problem.
Not holding a belief in something, like a magical superbeing, is not a problem. Having belief, without evidence, probably more so when asked to prove matters. But you know that with my friendly and encouraging manner, I am always here to help.
Yeah, you're a regular grab bag.
I do my best, but thanks.
I can wait while you take the shower.
Can I take yours?
I don't think my religion allows sharing between the sexes. We've only just permitted married women to stand quietly at the back during sunday services.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 05:58 PM)
I am impressed you think you can make out lip colour in a black & white image
I didn't say what color it is, but Betty Boop was originally black and white as well and she wore lipstick as clearly as you seem to be. Same style, too.
Or drag a joke out for so long without sensing boredom
This entire exchange would have taken about 2 minutes at best in real time. It's not my fault you only respond once a day.
I don't have such wide encounters with high culture as you, unfortunately.
Sorry, sometimes I forget that those of you across the pond aren't privy to some American icons. But to know Monica from
Friends
and not Beaver Cleaver is just disgraceful. lol
Not holding a belief in something, like a magical superbeing, is not a problem. Having belief, without evidence, probably more so when asked to prove matters.
Yeah yeah, that's lovely, but the "my/your god" thing is
your
problem, and apparently one which you,
my FF
, have yet to resolve.
I don't think my religion allows sharing between the sexes. We've only just permitted married women to stand quietly at the back during sunday services.
Actually, I had George Carlin in mind when I said that:
"Well, don't take one of mine! I've only got two left and the weekend's coming up!"
Of course he was talking about taking something else, but it's the same difference. -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 04:23 AM)
Betty Boop was originally black and white as well and she wore lipstick as clearly as you seem to be. Same style, too.
I think I understand your role model better now. But you need to work on those issues of projection. They are just not healthy.
It's not my fault you only respond once a day.
When you are older you will discover that daddy has a grown up job that means he has less time to play.
But to know Monica from Friends and not Beaver Cleaver is just disgraceful. lol
It is a shame I somehow will just have to live with.
the "my/your god" thing is your problem, and apparently one which you, my FF, have yet to resolve.
It is resolved by recognising that "my" does not necessarily mean exclusivity, something pointed out before. Many with 'my' education would understand and remember that. I hope it helps. If not, ask any god which is not for you. One of them ought to know.
I had George Carlin in mind
Why, do you think he wore lipstick too?
To be honest, being from the UK I had to look him up, he doesn't figure much on this side of the pond. That's why I keep you around, for this kind of insight.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 02:52 PM)
I think I understand your role model better now. But you need to work on those issues of projection. They are just not healthy.
No, your avatar really does look like a man wearing Betty Boop lipstick.
When you are older you will discover that daddy has a grown up job that means he has less time to play.
When will Daddy understand that the reason he only posts one response per day is irrelevant to the fact that he does? You may as well watch a 2-hour movie at one minute per day, then complain about how it dragged on for 4 months.
It is a shame I somehow will just have to live with.
Golly gee willikers, FF! Wait til the guys find out about that. They're really going to give you the business.
It is resolved by recognising that "my" does not necessarily mean exclusivity, something pointed out before. Many with 'my' education would understand and remember that.
And yet the song remains the same: I have never referred to God as "my God" as you just referred to "your education."
ask any god which is not for you.
There are no gods that are not for everyone. Like it or not, if God exists, it's everyone's god, and not believing it doesn't make it not so.
To be honest, being from the UK I had to look him up, he doesn't figure much on this side of the pond.
I can maybe understand Beaver Cleaver, but George Carlin, too? That honestly surprises me:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-comedian-George-Carlin-almost-unknown-in-the-UK -
filmflaneur — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 03:34 AM)
your avatar really does look like a man wearing Betty Boop lipstick.
Well, I suppose someone who apparently paints up like Coco the Clown ought to know
You may as well watch a 2-hour movie at one minute per day, then complain about how it dragged on for 4 months.
I don't think that is a wise use of your Netflix account. Also, there is only so much of an Adam Sandler movie one can take over months (
Punch Drunk Love
excepted).
Golly gee willikers
Is that a friend of yours from church? Does she knit socks at the back and save the planet?
I have never referred to God as "my God"
Indeed, but the point is still that "my" does not necessary imply exclusivity. Your god, it seems, is for everyone, as I see you agree with just below. It is just that, as a supernatural personality, He just doesn't show himself very often to everyone and so it seems the fervent have to fall back on inspiration.
you just referred to "your education."
Indeed, and if you read back carefully you will see it was an example, like "my county" would be, of a possessive that is not exclusive, in this instance since "my education" was one shared by all at my school. In contrast, my patience is entirely personal, and indeed can sometimes run thin.
There are no gods that are not for everyone
How would you know?
Like it or not, if God exists, it's everyone's god, and not believing it doesn't make it not so.
Then my dear Miscella, it is would be
yours
, my point and so QED. But that "if God exists" bit seems a little contentious, especially when we consider that of the traditional, thunderbolt and redeemer-type. Isn't that where I came in, back in the day?
I can maybe understand Beaver Cleaver, but George Carlin, too? That honestly surprises me:
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-comedian-George-Carlin-almost-unknown-in-the-UK
American culture is no always so ubiquitous as one might think. The only Carlin I enjoyed when younger was his Black Label.
I'm well aware that railing does no good
kurt2000 -
Miscella — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 07:51 PM)
Well, I suppose someone who apparently paints up like Coco the Clown ought to know
Hey, you're right! This
is
boring.
I don't think that is a wise use of your Netflix account. Also, there is only so much of an Adam Sandler movie one can take over months (
Punch Drunk Love
excepted).
Don't change the subject. Especially not to one of the worst movies I've ever had the displeasure of suffering through.
Indeed, but the point is still that "my" does not necessary imply exclusivity. Your god, it seems, is for everyone, as I see you agree with just below. It is just that, as a supernatural personality, He just doesn't show himself very often to everyone and so it seems the fervent have to fall back on inspiration.
Or you could just stop saying it when talking to me. If you can't or won't, then I reckon I might just stop responding to it altogether.
There are no gods that are not for everyone
How would you know?
The same way you know that there are no First Causes that are not for everyone.
my dear Miscella
the traditional, thunderbolt and redeemer-type. Isn't that where I came in, back in the day?
It's like you never left.
American culture is no always so ubiquitous as one might think.
I guess I never really thought of George Carlin as "American culture."