Much as i admire his direction, Greengrass is one of those British people who really don't like their own. Much like the
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Dan_Finn — 11 years ago(May 25, 2014 05:22 AM)
The original posters comments all depend on weather that happened in real life, at the end of the day she relayed the information the relevant people and the ship wasnt hijacked on that occasion.
Im british we cock stuff up like everyone else, we tend to ignore cock ups in our films just like the americans do in theirs (black hawk down is a good example of an american cluster beep that was made out to be a triumph). Also in a couple of the Bond films (quantum of solace is one of them) they show corrupt cia high level memember making deals with international terrorists. Its not really that bigger deal. Call of Duty is a huge franchise yet we aren't depicted as being useless.
I do have an issue with Argo - our embassy and the canadians played a big part in smuggling and hiding the americans yet in the film they showed us turning them away. -
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Dan_Finn — 11 years ago(July 05, 2014 09:15 AM)
Black Hawk Down portrayed the events as both a cluster fvck AND a triumph. What's wrong with that?
Because there was no triumph the US were defeated by men with sticks and sham weaponry then pulled out of the area without completing the objectives they set out to achieve in the first place it then caused the US to pull out of Somalia all together. It also lead to the US choosing not to get involved in stopping the genocide in Rawanda where millions were slaughtered. -
Joxerlives — 11 years ago(June 06, 2014 10:27 AM)
Actually if I recall the scene they tried phoning the US Navy first but they didn't answer so then they phoned the RN and spoke to the Wren. Really it didn't make any difference, the Indian Ocean was a million square miles of water and there was no way any help could have reached them in time,
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Stirchley — 11 years ago(June 11, 2014 02:40 PM)
The Captain calls up for advice from the British military presence in the Indian Ocean and is told that the people in the skiff are probably "just fisherman". And then later the Captain calls the AMERICANS and they come to the rescue.
American films always try to make the British look inept, ineffective and stupid.
It seems to be in America's DNA to denigrate the British no matter what.
Jeez, touchy much? First off, when Phillips called the Americans nobody answered the phone. Then he called the Brits and the woman told him to follow protocol. Not the answer he wanted, but he didn't pursue the call further. The second time he called the Americans (who, BTW, were based in England) he got some assistance. -
jporter-6 — 11 years ago(August 15, 2014 03:20 PM)
It's just a grand old tradition. Started when George III tried to overwhelm the colonists. Got his butt kicked. It's now a second thought when it comes to the Brits.
Seriously, Brits take themselves so seriously. It's an American movie made with American money. You want a Brit-view of the money, get your own Brit skipper
kidnapped, then rescue him with your Navy. You can have any old Brit view you want, then.
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harveythepooka — 11 years ago(December 07, 2014 04:44 PM)
You're English so you see this as anti-English. But I'm a woman, what if I say it's sexist because the woman doesn't help them but the man does? So many of these probably are just people keeping count of their own personal beef but not keeping count of every else's beef. In the end it evens out, most of the time anyway. But the English are ones to talk about Americans saying stuff about the English, when no Americans I know have any issues at all with the English, while in British movies Americans are often and intentionally put down, "ghastly Americans" etc. Get a thicker skin or stop watching American movies. Even if this is based on a true story, it's still fiction and told from an American POV for an American audience.
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thivai-1 — 11 years ago(December 19, 2014 05:55 PM)
I think it was more of a symbolic sentence to draw the attention towards the underlying moral questions, and this was repeated several times. I wouldn't read too much into the person who uttered the sentence in that scene.