But Jesus claimed to be God. Einstein didn't
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PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:05 AM)
The authors were Jews themselves, Einstein
Since the books of the New Testament (particularly the gospels) are completely anonymous, there's no evidence for that claim. Especially since they go to such lengths to invalidate Judaism in favor of Christianity, and the narrators unconsciously and repeatedly refer to Jews as an 'other' than themselves (examples: John 7:1, "And after these things, Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He did not desire to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." John 9:22, "His parents said these things because they were afraid of the Jews. For the Jews already had agreed together that if anyone should confess Him Christ, he would be expelled from the synagogue.").
The authorial perspective is decidedly non-Jewish,
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and one can only see them as Jewish if one insists upon blurring the distinction between anonymous authors and the characters of whom they write (i.e.
Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ
has Jewish protagonists, but its author
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CODY_Jarrett_jr — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:46 AM)
You don't half chat a monumental amount of sh!t at times. It's obvious to anybody without a blatant self-serving biased agenda that the narrators haven't any issue with the Jewish people. It's with the corrupt hypocritical evil Jewish leaders where the problem lies.
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gottaluvafriend — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:23 PM)
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'Im ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I dont accept His claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg or else he would be the Devil of Hell.
You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon, or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to. - C.S.Lewis
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jmarkoff2 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 02:49 PM)
The LLL trilemma has been brought up and refuted constantly ever since it became popular. I am familiar with it from CS Lewis' version, which overlooks subtler possibilities.
Jesus could have been a liar, but this wouldn't necessarily tarnish his character. He might have been a humanitarian mind who was saddened by the brutality of the Mosaic law and usurped a position that would allow him to discard it - see the "cast the first stone" story.
Jesus could have been a high functioning lunatic, as such people can be quite charismatic and charming, and even get some things right. John Forbes Nash was a great scientist despite being a lunatic.
Jesus could be a Lord, but we shouldn't jump to a supernatural conclusion until all natural conclusions have been exhausted.
But Jesus could have been a Legend, whether a whole cloth fiction or a pumped-up retelling of a true story. Lewis simply assumes that every Gospel account of Jesus' life and works is factual. If that were true, then Jesus' miracles would prove he was a Lord or a similar being, and his personality would be irrelevant to the proof. -
washclothrepairman — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:22 PM)
"Sh!t ton" is rather vague. Am a billionaire? No. Do I own a private jet? No. Do I own 8 houses? No. Does my main residence have it's own staff to cook, clean and transport me? No. Do I own Lamborghinis? No.
Am I comfortable? Yes.
Are you saying that poor people need an invisible savior to take care of them?
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Pat_answers — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:46 PM)
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jmarkoff2 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:57 PM)
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_john.htm
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harpon-1 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 09:19 PM)
Lazy R Us ARISE! and make it Oily! ??
I was going to write a book once when I started seeing the words of Jesus as reflecting different wars and woes and apocalyptic Amageddons and then rewritten and or abridged-
with the Ratios of Samson one can "date" statements and events of the Bible by their numerical ratio- 30, 300 and 1000, is it? The numbers killed by Samson are a reflection of hidden history, all through the book.
so anyway, I envisioned a committee with charge over what to do since the last big war- what to leave in, what to leave out- and inclusive of the comittees own edict not to add or change anything-
you can sorta group the words of jesus into three or four distinct categories of eclectic significance- not the gospels themselves, but higher or lower concepts ranging from the edicts of Saul, the needs of David, the gold peace of Solomon and the Bad Times of Malachi.
oh well
never happened- nobody ever wants to talk of these things-
if they know them, they don't want it discussed
if they don't know they are not likely to understand
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LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:46 AM)
As has been mentioned this argument only works if we take the Gospels as fairly accurate (something Lewis conceded I believe). Even then, it's presuming liars lie about everything and lunatics are incoherent about everything, neither of which is the case.