Atheists will burn at the 2nd Coming
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washclothrepairman — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 04:52 PM)
Nothing I wrote is nonsense. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that godly omniscience and human free will are 100% incompatible then perhaps you should re-enroll to elementary school because this is pretty basic logic.
If my actions, personality, life and beliefs were determined before my birth, I have no free will. And neither do you.
Luckily, there is no god, omniscient or otherwise, so you and I (probably) do have free will.
Never trust a black man named "Chip." -
Miscella — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:05 PM)
Those are some pretty big ifs you have there
I used to argue the same thing, more or less; that if God knows everything, then He also knows where I'm ultimately going to end up. So if hell is my final destination, and he's always known that, even before I was born, then why would He let me be born in the first place? God must be a sadistic jerkwad, right?
Like I told Graham above, the so-called logic you're standing behind here presumes that omniscience includes knowing what can't be known. Specifically, you are presuming that God knows literally everything, even the unknowable, including what choices we may or not make now and in the future. Similarly, omnipotence does not include the ability to do the impossible. You may as well say that God can be both or neither existent and nonexistent. After all, he is 'omnipotent', no?
Nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk it about God. Just like Jack said. -
washclothrepairman — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:17 PM)
The definition of omniscience is to know
everything
. To future is, obviously, part of "everything." Also, christians are very fond of saying that god is outside of time, so it would be able to observe, and therefor know, the future, at least on their interpretation.
Never trust a black man named "Chip." -
Miscella — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:47 PM)
The definition of omniscience is to know
everything
.
Except, of course, where Adam was hiding or what the hell is going on in Sodom and Gomorrah. lol. Seriously, though, if paradoxes do not apply to an omniscient being, then such a being would certainly know how to predestine our fates without precluding our free will. (Did you not read the full quote I linked above?)
"intrinsic impossibilities are not things" -
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YouMightRabbitYouMight — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:04 PM)
Whatever characteristics are required to get through the pearly gates.
Just making everybody good but with free will isn't nonsense. He must have wanted things a lot more bestial with a lot of duds being culled instead. -
YouMightRabbitYouMight — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:13 PM)
It is whatever is required to get through the pearly gates.
Just making everybody good but with free will isn't nonsense. He must have wanted things a lot more bestial with a lot of duds being culled instead. -
YouMightRabbitYouMight — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:17 PM)
You can call it anything you like, Bible word or no. It's whatever traits qualify them for Heaven. God makes some with those traits; he could make 'em all with 'em.
Just making everybody good but with free will isn't nonsense. He must have wanted things a lot more bestial with a lot of duds being culled instead. -
YouMightRabbitYouMight — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:21 PM)
Nope, I'm suggesting that god could make people with the traits that get them into Heaven, instead of some with and some to be discarded.
Just making everybody good but with free will isn't nonsense. He must have wanted things a lot more bestial with a lot of duds being culled instead.