All-female patrol unit?
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trade25 — 11 years ago(August 02, 2014 08:12 AM)
In reality, how common it's to see an all-female patrol unit in USA? I mean, the ladies in the film (Orozco and Davis?) were real badasses, but considering the demanding patrol environment of South LA, it just feels a bit over the top
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bubblenator — 11 years ago(August 13, 2014 07:48 PM)
Even though they acted all tough but if those chicks were faced with a 6"5' 300 pound guy high on PCP and didn't have an Taser that shoots out the barbs then they would would get the sh.t kicked out of them and possibly killed. When dealing with a guy like that you are trained to keep your distance (even when he were to get out of a car) just in case he picks up say a knife and you have to draw your gun instead of your taser.
I too have never seen two female officers as partners in the same patrol car however you will notice in the movie these chicks were not really first responders, they were used as "transport" for suspects already in custody (handcuffed) ready to be taken to and booked into jail.
So the guys are still doing the high risk calls even though it is a tad bit sexist. Yes they were "macho" women but that means jacksh.t if you are not strong enough to subdue and handcuff a guy, however they have a baton, mace, Taser and beanbag shotgun as less-than-lethal options before their final possibly fatal one of shooting a suspect.
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xoBlueBird — 11 years ago(September 10, 2014 05:02 PM)
Law Enforcement is still a male dominated profession but yes it's common. We don't ride doubles in my department but I definitely patrol on my own! Bigger departments run doubles with both officers being female, or one and one. We handle our biz.
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TanteWaileka — 11 years ago(November 01, 2014 12:33 PM)
Now I'm not in law enforcement, but I have studied / practiced martial arts for 48 years now (I'm 66, 5'4" female). I don't go anywhere without a loaded gun, (err, allegedly) because I live in a bad-ass area of my city (Fort Worth) and I walk everywhere (more than 2000 miles a year) for the exercise.
I know I'm a better, faster, more deadly shooter than most cops. I practice a lot and have owned a gun since I shot/killed my first deer (for food) at the age of eight.
The problem I have with all female cop teams is that, IN GENERAL, women are physically weaker than men and if I was a female cop confronting a guy bigger than me who was being aggressive, my inclination would be to shoot him, immediately, as a matter of fact.
(Hey, I said I'm not a cop! so I have not had cop training and do not know what you are taught to do in a crisis like that.)
I think that male / female, or male / male would 'allow' the perp who is being aggressive to not end up DEAD; that is, for safety / pragmatic reasons, I think a female / female team would ultimately shoot the perp.
On the other hand, I know perfectly well that I can hit what I aim at even when I am aiming fast and at a moving target, so I've long wondered why cops participate in such scenarios as "suicide by cop" where someone is waving a knife at them or lunges at them with a knife. I saw that EXACT scenario in downtown San Francisco some 14-15 years ago. I watched the cops gun down/kill the obviously insane youngish man, and while I watched from about equidistance from the insane kid, I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT had I been licensed to carry in SF I would have EASILY been able to shoot that kid's arm, incapaciting it and causing the knife to fall, or I could have shot him in the foot, or the shoulder, etc. etc. etc. I watched the cops MURDER HIM. It left a VERY bad taste in my mouth, and I have never forgotten what I witnessed, and it has impacted how I feel about cops, today.
Years later when a cop in North Carolina stopped me for speeding (doing 70 on a 65 mph highway in early morning light traffic) unbeknownst to him my gun was on the seat beside me, with the safety off and had he made a wrong move towards me, I would have killed him, err allegedly. That's how that incident in San Francisco impacted me.
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ekatz898-429-690450 — 11 years ago(November 06, 2014 04:48 PM)
"I saw that EXACT scenario in downtown San Francisco some 14-15 years ago. I watched the cops gun down/kill the obviously insane youngish man, and while I watched from about equidistance from the insane kid, I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT had I been licensed to carry in SF I would have EASILY been able to shoot that kid's arm, incapaciting it and causing the knife to fall, or I could have shot him in the foot, or the shoulder, etc. etc. etc. I watched the cops MURDER HIM."
Police do not "shoot to wound" as that is unreasonable and potentially dangerous. They're trained to shoot at the center mass where a hit is most likely to happenthere's a much a greater chance of missing if aiming at a hand, foot, shoulder, etc.
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dingleberry_57 — 11 years ago(December 03, 2014 03:53 AM)
I would love to see you do that in a real world scenario, we'll use paint rounds and a rubber knife and I get as many goes as I like at trying to stab you and you're only allowed to shoot to wound.
The best shot in the world isn't that good, not in a high stress environment with a constantly moving target, besides even a shot in the leg can kill, especially if it hits the femoral artery.
This isn't the wild west where cops can just shoot the knife out of somebody's hands. Not only that, if you shoot to wound, is it going to eliminate the threat? Most likely not.
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law607 — 11 years ago(January 30, 2015 10:33 AM)
Now I'm not in law enforcement, but I have studied / practiced martial arts for 48 years now (I'm 66, 5'4" female). I don't go anywhere without a loaded gun, (err, allegedly) because I live in a bad-ass area of my city (Fort Worth) and I walk everywhere (more than 2000 miles a year) for the exercise.
I know I'm a better, faster, more deadly shooter than most cops. I practice a lot and have owned a gun since I shot/killed my first deer (for food) at the age of eight.
The problem I have with all female cop teams is that, IN GENERAL, women are physically weaker than men and if I was a female cop confronting a guy bigger than me who was being aggressive, my inclination would be to shoot him, immediately, as a matter of fact. (Hey, I said I'm not a cop! so I have not had cop training and do not know what you are taught to do in a crisis like that.)
I think that male / female, or male / male would 'allow' the perp who is being aggressive to not end up DEAD; that is, for safety / pragmatic reasons, I think a female / female team would ultimately shoot the perp.
On the other hand, I know perfectly well that I can hit what I aim at even when I am aiming fast and at a moving target, so I've long wondered why cops participate in such scenarios as "suicide by cop" where someone is waving a knife at them or lunges at them with a knife. I saw that EXACT scenario in downtown San Francisco some 14-15 years ago. I watched the cops gun down/kill the obviously insane youngish man, and while I watched from about equidistance from the insane kid, I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT had I been licensed to carry in SF I would have EASILY been able to shoot that kid's arm, incapaciting it and causing the knife to fall, or I could have shot him in the foot, or the shoulder, etc. etc. etc. I watched the cops MURDER HIM. It left a VERY bad taste in my mouth, and I have never forgotten what I witnessed, and it has impacted how I feel about cops, today.
Years later when a cop in North Carolina stopped me for speeding (doing 70 on a 65 mph highway in early morning light traffic) unbeknownst to him my gun was on the seat beside me, with the safety off and had he made a wrong move towards me, I would have killed him, err allegedly. That's how that incident in San Francisco impacted me.
LOL
Seriously though, I understand your training in Martial Arts has probably taught you to be a confident person but that fact is, your post is filled with wild assumptions for which you possess no professional knowledge.
I know I'm a better, faster, more deadly shooter than most cops.
How is it that you know this to be a fact? Is this where you say you know the majority of officers and you are better than all of them?
if I was a female cop confronting a guy bigger than me who was being aggressive, my inclination would be to shoot him, immediately, as a matter of fact.
Why wouldn't you use your 48 years of martial arts experience? Or, is any of that experience useless against an aggressive male?
I think a female / female team would ultimately shoot the perp.
Based on what? The number of police involved shootings you have investigated where a female(s) officer took the life of an aggressive male? Or are you just basing it on the movies? What experience are you basing your opinion?
I know perfectly well that I can hit what I aim at even when I am aiming fast and at a moving target
Really? How many times have you hit what you were aiming at, with an elevated heart rate while danger was advancing towards you? Deer do not typically run toward the sound of gun fire in an effort to engage the shooter into an antler/gun battle.
I've long wondered why cops participate in such scenarios as "suicide by cop" where someone is waving a knife at them or lunges at them with a knife.
If a suspect is close enough to lunge at an officer with a knife, it is already too late as the suspect is far too close.
I KNEW WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT had I been licensed to carry in SF I would have EASILY been able to shoot that kid's arm, incapaciting it and causing the knife to fall, or I could have shot him in the foot, or the shoulder, etc. etc. etc
Yeah, this is a big time movie myth as well.
First - Officers are taught to stop the threat by shooting center mass. This is an easier target to hit and studies have shown that it has a higher percentage of stop ratio.
Second - You are responsible for EVERY round that leaves your weapon. I know you are a crack shot against deer who don't shoot back or have a knife, but when you start shooting at smaller areas of the body, with elevated heart rates and tunnel vision, and miss or have a through and throughyou take on the liability of where that bullet ends uppossibly in an innocent's head.
Third - I know you have investigated a multitude of shootings but contrary to what you believe and what you don't see in the movies ispeople don't always go down after being shot center mass, they don't always drop the knife or gun. They don' -
fluffchop — 10 years ago(August 24, 2015 02:51 AM)
However, if that same guy is insane and brandishing a knife towards your fellow officers, you would make EVERY effort in the world to save his life by shooting at the smallest limbs on his body.
I hate your obnoxious post. Here's the last bit that you missed the point of completely. She was at the same distance as the cops were when they murdered the boy in San Francisco. At that distance she could have EASILY shot him in the arm holding the knife.
She mentioned nothing about trying to shoot your small appendage.
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conrrad — 10 years ago(November 26, 2015 12:27 AM)
Female patrols are both common and widely-used, depending on the local politics. Certainly such patrols have been proven time and again to be equally effective as all other patrols.
It is a Myth that you must be big and strong to be an officer - there are plenty of smaller men, overweight or out of shape men, older men who are overweight and out of shape, etc., etc. - and it is only a small percentage of time when any officer must rely solely on their physical size and strength and not their weapons. A very small percentage - women in combat and in law enforcement has been proven totally and equally effective. Just see Israel for examples of most of the first and 'cutting-edge' stats and facts about women in combat and on patrol.
AND 'TanteWaliekea"? "I would have killed him, err allegedly. That's how that incident in San Francisco impacted me."!?!
Really? Well, we all call BS! on that one, little sister! You so obviously are either lying like a small child - bragging that you were ready, willing and able to murder a Police Officer? Really? - Or you have a deluded, totally inaccurate perception of your own abilities and lack of whatever-it-takes for most EVERYONE to not be killers. Are you that deluded?
It is no boast - how popular would you be had you actually killed or tried to kill an officer? And to try to blame it on "how that incidentimpacted me" is also total, deluded BS. It would not be anything like that; it would be your own criminal nature - you see, it actually takes a true sociopath to kill a police and someone who has ZERO place in normal society. Nobody is ever, ever "so deeply affected" by anything that they suddenly have the capacity to do that when otherwise they would never!
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xoBlueBird — 11 years ago(September 10, 2014 05:07 PM)
Also the females in the movie were first responders, not just transport. We just don't see their calls because the movie is from the two main guys' point of view. The two females show up as back up on some of their calls but it doesn't mean they don't respond to their own calls too. One of the females even comments during one of the guys' calls "what, you catch em I clean em?" after he passed off a suspect to her, like she was displeased. We transport for each other sometimes when the original officer needs to stay on scene a while longer.
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liverpool26 — 11 years ago(September 26, 2014 06:10 PM)
Don't know about US but in UK I've seen 2 women patrolling many times. Wasn't the two police officers shot in Manchester both women. Them being men wouldn't have made a difference as the guy had a gun and grenades and the officers were unarmed.
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peterwcohen-300-947200 — 10 years ago(March 10, 2016 01:37 PM)
In NYC, I see 2 female NYPD patrol officers teamed up all the time. As a matter of fact, some times I wonder if they intentionally team them up. That's just anecdotal observation I have no idea how the NYPD pairs up officers.