she didn't get it from me ! my interpretation
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:13 PM)
What the fvck dude.. Seriously?? If you'd made one post I may have read it. As the situation stands, I will respond to this last one..
So let me sum up for you; when a man does it, he's a sexual predator. When a woman does it, she's suffering from an uncontrollable sexual repression and not responsible for her actions
What are you talking about? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!! When a man does what? Nothing here relates to anything in my original post.
forced her to sexually assault two men, one of them if not underage, then pretty darn close to it.
XD You're a moron. The sheriff instigated contact, remember the scene in his car? He was treading a very very fine line and he knew it hence his ultimate decision not to follow through.. The idea that she assaulted him is hilarious.
Regarding the aboriginal kid was not a kid.. He was mid twenties at the VERY LEAST, more likely early thirties.. YOU REALISE THAT RIGHT?!?!? That's why it was a problem that he porked Lily. YOU SEE THIS RIGHT??? The partner of the sheriff was his sister, not his mum, YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT???!?! beep why am I even bothering? Enough.. -
!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:44 PM)
I think the sheriff tells Bridie about being 18 and that there are laws regarding sex with minors. Bridie does not get the point. There is also a point made that birdie did not really understand sex because early the movie the sheriff tells Bridie to keep his little brother out while he was sex Bridie's sister. Bridie did not seem to get that reference either. At very least Bridie can not give consent which is an important of sex or rape. I suppose we can ignore that and give Mrs. Parker a big pass on consent.
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!!!deleted!!! (58906484) — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 05:16 AM)
Younger people are not generally mentally developed enough to give consent. Once they turn 18 then they are fair game. However, some individuals may never be able to give consent. Someone with the IQ of a young child maybe such an example. Another is a vegetable. Lets not forget the ruffie cocktail victims.
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jupnose25 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 02:24 PM)
The word whore is pretty horrible, as is the word slut. It's bad enough that they're used pejoratively to brand people as immoral or dirty for.. enjoying sex, but the fact that they're applied almost exclusively to women is just shameful.
As a man that would beep a different woman every day of the week if he could (and who would only be applauded for doing so..), if I hear you using those terms, I am going to make it a problem. -
radonys — 10 years ago(February 20, 2016 09:28 AM)
Is't that obsolete already? Poor women, they can't enjoy sex without being labeled Them pigs men, they can fool around and are admired for that That's a little last century, at least in the current western civilisation.
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RoadRunnerr — 10 years ago(July 29, 2015 04:34 AM)
You are just too kind to the mother character.Geesh man, it's obviously the mother that was molested at some time in here life. You see why the guy lives in separate beds because he can't get any sleep at all with momma always grabbing his crotch want a little skeet skeet, and think about why Tommy the boy can't sleep at night because of all the bump'n and grind' going on in mom and dads room , not to mention the squeeling and head board banging. And of course the promiscuous Lilly was always hanging down at the skate park, there was a box car with a bed and all the boys she wanted. Dad was innocent. And as for the Lilly seducing the older men, she was just like her mother, remember the beginning when she could care less how here daughter dressed. This behavior was learned, Momma was not the best role model for little Lilly. Do you really think that she loved the ugly aborigine character , no way was that real love, because for Lilly, love was sex. Kids learn theses traits at young ages and if not checked earlier in the first stages of life, it's not an easy thing to change, that's my take on it.the teachers wife knew it was the little girls fault as much as the teachers fault, Lilly although young, was way to sultry dressed and not bad looking either. Australian towns are small and the female selection is limited, I don't agree with the morality and ethics of the plot but I do see that it makes a valid story, meep meep, that's all folks, Roadrunn3rr50
Cup 1/2 full or cup 1/2 empty? I say "The cup is too damn big"~Roadrunn3rr -
soyse — 10 years ago(August 14, 2015 11:16 PM)
How insightful and eloquently phrased..
The quote "She didn't get it from me", is not open to interpretation. He meant his wife has always been interested in sex, you may see that as her being a "whore", like he did, this speaks volumes as to your character.
He was sexually repressed in the extreme, he saw it as something shameful and embarrassing. Perhaps he was shameful of the feelings his daughter elicited in himself and consciously shut that side of his life down? Perhaps he'd always had issues with sex but when he realised his daughter was growing up to be free spirited and sexual, it pushed him over the edge.
His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word). She was absolutely grief stricken and in a state of mental breakdown. She needed affection and touch and just to feel something and she wasn't going to get that from her husband.
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james-mac — 10 years ago(November 16, 2015 03:57 PM)
Actually that is open to interpretation and you explained very well what your interpretation was. Another interpretation is that the mother was mentally unstable and that he blames what the daughter got involved in on the mother.
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Thought_Criminal_J62377 — 10 years ago(March 21, 2016 03:05 AM)
The quote "She didn't get it from me", is not open to interpretation. He meant his wife has always been interested in sex, you may see that as her being a "whore", like he did, this speaks volumes as to your character.
"interested in sex" is your watered down phrasing as you try to deny that there was something seriously wrong with the mother and daughter. The daughter's scrapbook show's you how messed up her psyche is. "Ride the snake"? You think this is something wholesome and natural for a 15 year old girl to be writing? And then drawing a heart with the word beep in the middle? It was clear the daughter equated sex with love and you're sick for trying to say this is normal.
He was sexually repressed in the extreme, he saw it as something shameful and embarrassing. Perhaps he was shameful of the feelings his daughter elicited in himself and consciously shut that side of his life down? Perhaps he'd always had issues with sex but when he realised his daughter was growing up to be free spirited and sexual, it pushed him over the edge.
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps All you're doing is projecting and supposing. And there was nothing in this movie to support your suppositions. He did nothing to lead you to believe he was sexually repressed. He didn't want to have sex that one night, because it was hot and he wasn't in the mood. I guess in your mind a person should never "not be in the mood" unless they're sexually repressed, in the extreme.
His wife's behavior was not shameful or whorish (horrible word). She was absolutely grief stricken and in a state of mental breakdown. She needed affection and touch and just to feel something and she wasn't going to get that from her husband.
The word whorish is well chosen to describe the mother and daughter, horrible or not. Being absolutely grief stricken doesn't lead normal people into a sexual frenzy. For normal people sex is the last thing on a grief stricken persons mind. Only sluts and people with mental issues would need sex at that time. Hugging or being held are natural needs but intercourse is selfish and disrespectful under conditions of losing a loved one. Sure the entertainment industry depicts this, because they're allowed to portray any twisted character they want, but it's not common or natural.
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jupnose25 — 9 years ago(May 30, 2016 10:24 AM)
Anti-PC John.. Right..
"interested in sex" is your watered down phrasing as you try to deny that there was something seriously wrong with the mother and daughter. The daughter's scrapbook show's you how messed up her psyche is. "Ride the snake"? You think this is something wholesome and natural for a 15 year old girl to be writing? And then drawing a heart with the word beep in the middle? It was clear the daughter equated sex with love and you're sick for trying to say this is normal.
No doubt the daughter's psyche was messed up, as was the mother's. My response was regarding that one simple quote, not the girl's diary, or her actions. I'm not sure where I suggested that anyone's behavior was normal (whatever normal would be when you lose your two children) but I'm happy to offend your anti-pc sensibilities!
Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps All you're doing is projecting and supposing. And there was nothing in this movie to support your suppositions. He did nothing to lead you to believe he was sexually repressed. He didn't want to have sex that one night, because it was hot and he wasn't in the mood. I guess in your mind a person should never "not be in the mood" unless they're sexually repressed, in the extreme.
It's been a long time since I watched the film, it wasn't particularly good and I wouldn't watch it again, so you'll have to forgive my hazy memories regarding specifics. I distinctly remember one of the main themes being his complete rejection of intimacy. He seemed almost fearful of his wife and daughter. Also, I seem to remember some conversation about him "shutting down" when Lily was a kid. Like I said, it's been a long time but I think it was fairly clear that he was a person who for whatever reason could not get close to anyone, not just sexually. Take a person like that, pair them up with someone who is pretty much the opposite and then trap them in the arse end of nowhere, it's not going to end well.
The word whorish is well chosen to describe the mother and daughter, horrible or not. Being absolutely grief stricken doesn't lead normal people into a sexual frenzy. For normal people sex is the last thing on a grief stricken persons mind. Only sluts and people with mental issues would need sex at that time. Hugging or being held are natural needs but intercourse is selfish and disrespectful under conditions of losing a loved one. Sure the entertainment industry depicts this, because they're allowed to portray any twisted character they want, but it's not common or natural.
It's hard to take a person with such a clear agenda too seriously so please forgive my lack of outrage regarding your terminology. I do know that extreme events can lead to extreme behaviors, paradoxical, depraved, abhorrent behaviors. But I actually didn't see her behavior as anything too bizarre. To me she was a person with a deep need for intimacy who had been living in a state of emotional torture for years. The disappearance of her kids just pushed her over the edge.
I know it must be hard for you to fathom, but intimacy is a natural need, and sex is just about the highest form of intimacy (though you should have seen what I got up to last night.. FILTH). Metaphorically speaking, it really fills a hole.. I'm not saying it's always appropriate and I'm not saying the wife's behavior was okay, only that I could appreciate the motivations behind her actions, and don't consider her a super whoreish slutbag skank, rather I thought she was an emotionally wrecked person, in the midst of a major mental breakdown, seeking intimacy in an inappropriate manner.
My apologies that I couldn't be more specific, I just don't really remember much about it. Keep fighting the good fight John! -
boeush — 10 years ago(July 26, 2015 08:05 PM)
When it comes to the girl's ultimate fate, there are no clear answers. However, it is notable that the older 'aboriginal' woman mentions toward the end, almost in passing, that a lot of children have disappeared in the area. It's the land, she says. But, a girl getting into a car in the dead of night, and never being heard from again Sure, on the one hand she might have hitchhiked to the other end of the continent. However, the movie does leave open the dark possibility that the girl falls victim to a serial killer perhaps even someone she previously befriended in town (even at the infamous skate park) and agreed on the 'pickup' in advance.
As far as the mother's behavior: the key, I think, is the question she poses to her husband are we bad parents? It seems that following the trauma of the daughter's abuse by a teacher, the mother-daughter relationship broke down at least as badly as the wife-husband relationship. Such a distancing and even alienation sometimes happens with teenage children, even when they have not been horribly violated and deeply scarred by a sexual predator (i.e. the teacher.)
The movie gives every impression that the mother at the beginning of the story does not really understand her child any more perhaps is even actively or subconsciously repressing or avoiding the subject and averting her eyes because it's too painful to contemplate, finding it much easier to just pretend that everything is alright and either has no idea or suppresses all suspicions of what her daughter is going through, or what she gets up to until it is too late. Much of the mother's character arc is about eventually confronting her own denial and pain, searching for the truth, with a growing desperation, and ultimately uncovering horrible revelations about her daughter's state of mind, and through that about herself.
By the time she puts on her daughter's clothes, she is really trying to get into her daughter's frame of mind, to see the world through her eyes and understand her from the inside out even if it's too late. By that time, she is wracked with terrible guilt; she feels she has failed her daughter, and failed in her duties as a parent and a mother. The guilt, the grief, the terror for her daughter, the sense of alienation, condemnation, and isolation if not outright rejection that she perceives from her husband and everyone else, including her own conscience: she is left with no outlet, nobody to confide in, nobody to offer her a shoulder to cry on. So she turns to drink. But she is not merely self-medicating: she is, in a way, punishing herself as well. She is starting to feel and internalize some of the self-destructive, self-hating, self-negating impulse that drove her daughter. And so, when she is at her most vulnerable and empathic (not to mention intoxicated), here walks in her daughter's avowed 'Black Prince'. Her advances upon him are double-edged. On the one hand, she is play-acting her daughter as a form of ongoing self-flagellation; on the other hand, she is passive-aggressively confronting him about what he has done, or what he allowed her daughter to do. It is as much about self-abnegation and heartbreak as it is about lashing out, shaming, and accusation. It is not, in the end, an admirable thing to do particularly since the guy is obviously mentally challenged and cannot be rationally blamed for anything that happened. But it is an act that is irrational, deeply human, and understandable with a bit of empathy and imagination. And no, it is neither 'predatory' nor 'whorish'. Context makes all the difference, and there is a lot of subtle context here.
Perhaps with the above in mind, her behavior toward the cop and her husband becomes a bit more understandable as well as is her ultimate literal and figurative denuding, shaming, and excoriation of herself in front of the whole town and the entire universe. In the end, she perhaps does not articulate it explicitly but through her actions screams at everyone and everything to let her daughter come back, to take her instead, to somehow let her daughter's burdens and suffering be transferred unto her, to let her child live and be healed even if she should die in her place.
As for "she didn't get it from me", this was a father equally repressed, distanced, and in denial of both what happened and his own grief and terror blaming his daughter's initial victimization and subsequent suffering and inability to get over it on her (the victim's) perceived character flaws. Mother and daughter both had been free-spirited, uninhibited, and sexual beings but none of those attributes are vices in themselves. The father fails to grasp (until almost the very end) that his daughter was suffering horribly but could neither properly express nor deal with her inner turmoil and demons due to her immaturity compounded by all the typical teenage foibles, as well as her own family's lack of empathy, understanding, and support. He ta -
BlackDog123 — 10 years ago(October 19, 2015 01:48 PM)
Good job, this was really well-worded! I agree with you on all counts.
I think Nicole Kidman's character was a "wild" teenager, sexually active, and was "tamed" (in his mind) when she married her husband. She was also miserable in that new, frontier town, with nowhere to go, no one to talk to, no friends, her relationship with her children a mess, no intimacy (physical or emotional) with her husband, just cooped up in the house all day with nowhere to go but outside into a dust storm.
I think the husband turned his stress "inward," and had been ignoring his wife's needs for some time. She tries to encourage him to talk to her, but he turns away. I struggle with this with my bf, and it stings - and we are casually dating with separate groups of friends, I can only imagine if this happened from the one person in my life that I was close to.
I think the entire family (including, to some degree, the little boy) resented the hell out of Lily for "causing" the family to move away from their hometown. Lily, in turn, resented her father for forcing her to leave her friends and school. This behavior - the moving to the sticks - is just another example of the father not being in touch with his or anyone's emotions - instead of therapy etc for Lily, he unilaterally decides on a move which is guaranteed to make everyone (including him) miserable.
Jeez, neither mother nor father were molesting their children. Lily was molested at age 7 ("she just changed" says Nicole), and was involved in a highly inappropriate, illegal relationship with her teacher (which predicated the move). There is a restraining order on both sides, definitely between the teacher and Lily, but also by the father and teacher (I'd imagine he beat the hell out of the teacher at some point). I also inferred that the father was probably able to avoid being sued by the teacher for whatever action he took (the teacher says he "ruined his life" and his wife looks genuinely afraid) if he left - but, instead of taking responsibility for beating on/destroying the property of the teacher, he blames Lily.
Lastly - I believe Lily was abducted and murdered. She showed numerous times that she had overly open boundaries. She got into the car with the wrong man, and her luck ran out. I like to think she left Tom because she knew she wasn't being safe and thought he would make it back home, but he got lost in the dust storm instead.
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ke_neth1981 — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 06:59 PM)
To sum it all up, like mom like daughter. Reading between the lines, Lily was the local crack-whore, and one night she might have decided she gonna go big. Maybe take up a contract with
girlsoutwest
. Now that she was gone, mummy dearest decided to take up the mantle; and what better way than to use ol' Bertie to loosen up a bit. When that dint work out she thought middle-aged Rae would be a better bet. When that bombed, she went nude through the streets to see if anyone was willing. That failed, she realized it was finally time to hang her boots, give her 50 year old shriveled poo$$i its due rest and return to her loyal pimp(who knows?). Stranger'lund' - The End.
Never be afraid to call a spade a spade and a hooker, a hooker(they give you a discount then)