The aliens who arrived need our help in 3000 years?
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laplante-co-672-297856 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 05:40 PM)
No, they saw ONE future of an infinite number the one that they wanted to ensure came to pass.
It's just the same as Back to the Future. Marty goes back in time to 1955 at which point an infinite number of futures are possible. To make sure that the one he came from the one he wants to get back to comes to pass he has to make sure that everything happens in the way that he knows they should.
But, the thing about infinity, is that an infinite number of futures exist which are ALMOST the same but there are subtle differences between them as Marty found out. -
fetzky — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 02:44 PM)
You have a problem with the premise? How about Ms Banks starting with zilch and three weeks later almost flawlessly communicating with friggin ALIENS, while only a few frames earlier having problems translating from Mandarin.
Oh, and also the film was not ABOUT helping out the aliens in 3000 years, but perhaps if you wait a couple of years Emmerich or Cameron will make a sequel where Will Smith and Arnold go off to fight space lizards. -
Crom86 — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 04:05 PM)
Think of this analogy for a moment:
You are the millionaire CEO of a company. You have immense amounts of resources available. You walk down the street and a car hits you, leaving you dying on the road. At that moment an underpaid nurse happens to pass by.
In this analogy the nurse possesses first aid training, which you do not, and can help you. So, even though you would perceive the nurse as an insignificant speck compared to your place in the world, she possesses a particular skill that at this point in time that can effectively save you.
The film obviously leaves this open to interpretation but to me it's a similar case like the above scenario. Maybe humanity (the nurse) has "something" that the aliens (CEO) don't, and at one particular point in time (3000 years later) can save them.
If you want a totally different explanation, at some point they mention that, to the aliens, time is non-linear, so the time-frame of "3000 years later" could just be totally insignificant or have a fundamentally different meaning than the one we perceive (just like we mistook "tool" for "weapon"). It's just that to the human mind the relativity of time is a very hard concept to grasp (hence the impossibility of creating a time-travel movie with no contradictions
)so we need to assign a measurable value to the term "3000 years".
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orland1995 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 07:21 PM)
I was thinking along similar lines, like a trade agreement between nations for specialized skills or resources, but got stomped because of the idea that the aliens can see the future. So even if they need help at some point, they can anticipate far in advance such that they should be able to prep themselves to not be reliant on the help needed? At least those were my thoughts when I asked the question
But maybe even in that scenario, it was still more practical for them to just let the other party help or assist them so they can be more effective at what they do or like to do. Like a Doctor would still need a nurse or assistants for a planned surgery in the future instead of doing it all themselves and the CEO should stick to business and not pursue a medical degree, so your analogy is very applicable.
The other way to look at it - as pointed out by other posts is that with the new tools provided, the human race may have an accelerated knowledge and evolution such that we can be at par with the alien technology or even overtake them in some areas at some point in the future. In which case, the help can be anything under the sun, or under the galactic stars for that matter.
Anyways, I appreciate the response and ideas from people. I really enjoyed the movie personally and reading the posts allowed me to expand my appreciation of the film.
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Sashquash — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 07:34 AM)
This is a great answer!
Myself i saw it as a metaphor for international cooperation. Empires have made conquest with war or trades, i think the movie try to say that in the long run the peaceful way will benefit both civilisation instead of one winner taking all the benefit after a war. (this is the win-win or non-zero-sum game)
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Neuronhead — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 09:59 PM)
In three thousand years we will also be more advanced than we are now. With the aliens' help in their past, our present, we are directed in such a way that we become that advanced race.
Just because they are advanced, doesn't mean they don't need help. We have no idea what help they require. We probably don't even have the capacity to understand it now. But presumably we will in three thousand years.
I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe -
johncg25 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 04:30 AM)
It doesn't matter. Some dumb screenwriter wrote it because their job is to write imaginary junk to sell movie tickets, it doesn't have to make sense, and it doesn't. A screenwriter does not know more about science or time than Einstein. Its just psuedo science drivel written by a guy who is making imaginary stuff up to sell movie tickets. Like war of the worlds in the 1950's when people listened to it on the radio and thought it was realexcept its 2017 with CGI and with "time travel" lol
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faggoy — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 03:14 PM)
Einstein was a theoretical physicist and a bloody good one because his calculations about what goes on in space is being proven after his passing from this world He did not theorize everything about space - but who can? with limited technology and life span.
Read up about the 5th dimension it talks about time and how everything is happening at the same time i.e you being born, getting married, buying a car, dying all at the same time.
If such a dimension can be accessed this movie makes a lot more sense as time may not be linear as mentioned in the movie -
king_of_bob — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 12:12 PM)
A superior and more advanced civilization who potentially have solved time travel
They can't time travel or see into the future, technically. They can remember future events because their perception of time is different.
should be able to solve their problems without the aide of an inferior race.
Considering the fact that in less time we've gone from living in huts to reaching into space, with religion hampering advancement for almost the entire time. Then consider how far we could advance given another 3000 years.
Not to mention the fact that we have no idea what the problem they'll face in 3000 years is. Advanced technology doesn't solve all problems.
And if they realize they are helpless somehow even knowing this dilemma is forthcoming, what can the human race potentially offer in 3 millenniums that their own species can not obtain?
You're asking the wrong questions because you're confused about how they know the future. They didn't look into the future, see a problem and go looking to recruit us to help them. Their memory of future events includes us. It's not some prediction, it's what will inevitably happen.
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gymmy-53-710858 — 9 years ago(February 12, 2017 02:52 PM)
We train dogs in the military to seek out bombs, or survivors etc., since they have a better sense of smell than we do, so they can do a better job. In short, we give them knowledge so that they may be able to help us in the future. I fail to see how the premise that you're criticising in Arrival is any different.
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trpea — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 03:15 AM)
In 3000 years it was probably humans that were pains in the ass trying to fight them with space nukes after we mastered interstellar travel. Them teaching us this language changes our path and makes us friendly by then instead