In the Superman canon, it is well established that he cannot see through Lead.
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Hmmwhatshisface — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 01:19 PM)
In the Superman canon, it is well established that he cannot see through Lead.
In the director's and extended cut of BvS, Jenna Malone's character states that the bomb in the wheelchair that exploded in Congress was lined with Lead. Lois then exclaims that Superman could not have stopped the bomb because he couldn't see it.
Was it ever established in MoS or BvS that Clark knew he couldn't see through Lead? It doesn't seem to be public knowledge (the public in the film) if it was established. Lois as his girlfriend/world would be privy to this knowledge. Does it seem convenient that Lex would know that Superman can't see through Lead?
Aside from the obvious displays of super-strength and flight, would there be any way to deduce that Superman has X-ray vision?
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 01:25 PM)
In the interrogation scene in MoS he was using it to tell people what they had in their pocket, not sure why they'd make it public knowledge but Lex was supposedly deep into government contracts so he could have just bribed the right person.
Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
RantandBollox — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 01:26 PM)
It was never established in the MoS universe that he couldn't see through lead. Like a lot of the film it expects the audience to bring previous knowledge of the characters to fill in the holes in storytelling.
Someone might now explain away the fact Lex knew because he's a 'genius' or researched for years or whatever, but the plain fact is that if you didn't know about the lead thing before these films then you wouldn't get it now. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 09:05 AM)
It was never established in the MoS universe that he couldn't see through lead. Like a lot of the film it expects the audience to bring previous knowledge of the characters to fill in the holes in storytelling.
Someone might now explain away the fact Lex knew because he's a 'genius' or researched for years or whatever, but the plain fact is that if you didn't know about the lead thing before these films then you wouldn't get it now.
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StainonSociety — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 02:01 PM)
It's common knowledge lead blocks x-rays. Anyone that's been to a dentist knows this. So it's easy to assume Superman's x-ray vision can't penetrate lead.
I am also fairly sure that they established his x-ray vision in man of steel, and that it was documented by the scientists examining him during the interrogation scene.
Look at the files the government had in their possession in Suicide Squad on meta humans, etc. and their abilities. -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 02:46 PM)
It could be a logical educated logical guess that lead would work given that we know that it works on X-rays in other circumstances. What struck me as odd is that Batman or anyone for that matter did any sort of investigation on as to how he got hold of the explosives in the first place of managed to rig the bomb. You would have though that could have given Batman a strong lead towards Lex giving the that he is meant to be the worlds best detective (Seems laugthable considering how easy he got played in this movie)
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 04:35 PM)
What was dumb was Lex delivered the chair personally the chair he was in before looked like he found it outside a goodwill in the dumpster so getting a custom built state of the art chair hand delivered by one of the most prominate billionaires in the world? that guy would be telling everyone he knew about it.. family, friends, the guy that runs the corner paper stand.. everyone so after his chair explodes and the police are doing follow up on it, "Hmmm chair hand delivered by Lex Luthor, who was invited to that hearing but mysteriously didn't attend."
Every single thing Lex does leaves a trail directly back to him.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
RantandBollox — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 06:10 PM)
Superman's powers, depicted in MoS clearly, are not 'X-Rays', that's just the terminology. He can see layers of bone, muscle, organs, and skeletal structure in several scenes.
He is not passing ionized radiation on a photographic plate.
I know applying 'science' to comic books isn't worth the hassle, but in this case Clark's powers are clearly not 'X-rays' so the limitations have to created by the writers, and not assumed because they have no real-world parallel. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 09:14 AM)
Superman's powers, depicted in MoS clearly, are not 'X-Rays', that's just the terminology. He can see layers of bone, muscle, organs, and skeletal structure in several scenes.
He is not passing ionized radiation on a photographic plate.
I know applying 'science' to comic books isn't worth the hassle, but in this case Clark's powers are clearly not 'X-rays' so the limitations have to created by the writers, and not assumed because they have no real-world parallel.
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Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 04:25 PM)
Problem is Superman looks right at the wheel chair and never wonders why it's made of lead.
I mean a wheel chair made out of lead?
He should have known something was up. Plus he's Superman. Grab the wheelchair and fly out. -
CichlidAsh — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 06:06 PM)
Didn't he say because he wasn't looking?
Yeah he though that he did not notice it because he was not looking then Louis informed him that he would not have seen it because it was lined with lead. Of course the reality is he still would have not noticed because he was not looking because I am sure if he noticed that he could not see though the chair it would have been a big give away that something was wrong. It is the lack of investigation into where he could have got the explosives from or the knowledge of how he rigged the explosive which is a glaring mistake. Surely when a terrorist attack happens in America they investigate where the terrorists got the equipment required to carry it out as standard practice and it just seems totally unlike the character of Batman to not investigate things.
To make a great film you need three things - the script, the script and the script -Alfred Hitchcock -
OdumC — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 06:33 PM)
it just seems totally unlike the character of Batman to not investigate things.
Well this Batman had an 18 month obsession with "Superman" and didn't investigate him.
Lois figured out who he was following clues in a short montage in MoS. then the aliens that show up broadcasting that this alien has been disguised, living amongst us, land at the Kent Farm.. Clark then proceeds to leave a quite literal straight line path from the smallville fight to the kent front porch Lois Screams "Clark Clark" with cops around.. everyone in Smallville knew who he was, Pete Ross even did a double take when they crashed into the IHOP showing he plainly recognized him even after he'd been gone.
So Batman knows he's been here, living in disguise, he doesn't need to be a detective to figure it out, just use google, yet he's "Shocked" to hear "Martha"? he had enough info to track supermans life all the way back to the dog JK threw himself into a tornado trying to save FFS.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
RantandBollox — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 06:53 PM)
Oh don't get me started on this! haha. I had almost a second video on this one thing alone, and it's been such a hammer blow in terms of destroying anyone's defence of this film.
Batman is a terrible characterization of 'The World's Greatest Detective', and in this universe his total lack of effort to find out anything about
the
most dangerous creature in the world, in his view, eradicates any believability to the character.
Lex figured it out. Lois figured it out. There is no explanation why someone
that
angry/fearful, with the resources at his disposal, would not have discovered who Clark Kent was. He would have combed through every single piece of rubble from Metropolis to Smallville, and easily traced all the 'incidents' in Clark's past back to the farm that the aliens trashed for some strange reason.
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OdumC — 9 years ago(November 27, 2016 07:21 PM)
I've actually brought this up before and had someone tell me "Batman wouldn't care about that so wouldn't waste time looking into it"
So. you've sworn to attack and kill what many are calling an all powerful godlike being. and something like his civilian disguise and all the hidden treasures that go along with that, wouldn't be worth his time to even bother looking into?
are you fcking kidding me??
He'd look into every aspect and angle of his life he could find. the "Worlds greatest detective" would find aspects and angles Clark himself was probably never aware of but he can't be bothered to care about that??
I mean Lois figured it out pretty easily WITHOUT small hints like the aliens looking for Superman landing at the Kent Farm for some reason then a fight breaking out leaving an almost comical straight line path to Smallville for that fight.. I mean standing in smallville with a pair of binocs you could look through the 7-11 and see the fcking Kent front porch at the end of that straight line path of destruction.
But, he wouldn't care about that, couldn't be bothered to look into it during those 18 months of hate filled obsession. sure thing.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 12:20 AM)
Why would he think he has a civilian disguise? Some people here have even pointed out that Clark doesn't wear a mask as Superman so why would Bruce think he has a civilian disguise?
And this Batman is never referred to as "The World's Greatest Detective". Never mind how overblown that reputation has been for Batman as his detective work usually amounts to following blatantly obvious clues left by his enemies and beating up people for the right information if he's dealing with something more complex. -
OdumC — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 08:00 AM)
Why would he think he has a civilian disguise? Some people here have even pointed out that Clark doesn't wear a mask as Superman so why would Bruce think he has a civilian disguise?
Oh I don't know, maybe because in MoS Zod broadcast to the WORLD on every device that would play video/sound that "He's been living among you, secretly".
Derp.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
Phantom_Panther — 9 years ago(December 14, 2016 09:27 AM)
"Secretly" doesn't mean he wears a mask or some kind of disguise. Secretly could easily mean "he just lived among you and acted like a an ordinary guy and blended into the background, never doing anything to draw much attention to himself".