Painfully obvious in the first 10m what's going on *SPOILERS*
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ashingtray — 9 years ago(October 11, 2016 04:22 AM)
Yes, there is. In the end, when the twins get back together with the mom, and when she starts to sing, all of them are dead already.
How is this shot support that they are "burned", it only shows they are dead, but not burned. Our debate is whether the two children were "burned" along with the mom.
The very last shot, after this, is the embers/flames in the air, from the fire, which hints at the fact that everyone died in the fire.
Again, No, it only indicates the house is burned, still nothing to support that the two kids are burned along with the mom. This similar question has been discussed several times here, so proves again, there is no solid shots that lead to the point that the kids were burned.
Besides, if you pay attention to the lyrics that the mother sings, it makes it all EXTREMELY obvious, something about God watching over them in heaven, or something like that.
They're all dead in the end, that much is 100% obvious.
Yes they might all be dead, but back to the main debate; was Lukas just an imagination of Elias or Lukas was a real ghost?
No, she wouldn't, because she's not a real ghost. She leaves the house, and leaves the frame because it's all symbolism: it means that the mother has died and has moved on from the plane of the living. That's why she exits the frame, towards a place that we can't see, offscreen.
Oh-wait, so now you are saying even the mom is not a Ghost? Just a symbolism that the Director trying to illustrate? Hhaha, maybe all ghost movies, all ghosts are not 'real' ghosts but symbolism of the directors!
Do you know why the sequence cuts, instead, to the fields? Because when the movie started, Elias was playing by himself, pretending that his brother was there, alive and playing with him.
In the end, we go back to the same scenario because now both brothers are dead, and they join their mother in death. Only in the end do we see them together after they died. During the course of the movie, Lukas is purely imagined, and the mother coming out of the house is purely symbolic.
Duhh Begining movie- Ending movie- same scenario, that's like basic film school theory. But that's not the point, you keep saying all these elements leading that the both brothers are dead, which are not strongly supported but just of you merely saying it. So Lukas is an imagination and Mother at the end is Symbolism? Then what is Elias at the end? Both? And Lukas? Is he now still an imagination at the end or has morph into symbolism just like his mom?
Another scene to support the fact that Lukas is not a mere imagination; remember the scene where one of the boys spied at the mom, and when the mom woke up, the boy quickly ran back to his room and hide by the wall, and as the mom comes in to check on him, she opens the door, and we see one of her sons in the bed sleeping, and another by the wall. So clearly the one that she could see is Elias on the bed and Lukas is by the wall.
So now, according to your theory if Lukas is the imagination of Elias, that means his imagination of Lukas has manifest into a physical form and spied at his mom, and then remains a manifestation by hiding by the wall as he sleeps on the bed as his mom checks on him?
Doesn't this scene feels redundant then, cause it's the only scene where Elias imagines his brother walking around without him while he is sleeping? So it's a dream? Please don't tell me it's a dream, just because there was one dream sequence, that would be the easy way out to explain things, and I wouldn't think the directors would put in so much trouble to craft this scene if not to illustrate the 2 brothers exist as separate forms.
Check out this frame again to remind yourself:
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It clearly means that she is dead, and is "moving on", hence why she exits the frame, which is supposed to represent the "real world", and crosses over to the other side.
Whatever you called it, ghost or symbolic, or even a Spirit, clearly the movie illustrates a world where when a person dies "The Mom", they manifest into some physical form where audiences can see, so why not that Lukas has always been a person who has died and is manifest into physical form where audiences/Elias(because of his twin bond) can see, aka Ghost? The interesting part is the last symbolic scene as you have described, that shows the audiences the Mom in a surreal existensial form, that it is possible in the movie, that makes one question so Lukas is not a mere imagination but a real ghost that Elias could see, thus it has made this movie so much more interesting of the psychological state of Elias who has been confused by existence of his brother, that lead to the misunderstood of his mom not being the real mom because the mom agreed at first that she could see him. This to me is so much more interesting.
That's funny, because the directors aren't German they're Austrians.
Opps-yea my bad.
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The_Yellow_Wallpaper — 9 years ago(October 22, 2016 11:07 PM)
I don't think it was meant to be a 'twist.' I don't understand why people are so proud of themselves for 'figuring out' a movie.
If the plot is deliberately explained in the script in the first ten or so minutes of a film, it's not a twist.
everyone deserves one good scare.
