Finally a Pilate….
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KatharineFanatic — 10 years ago(May 17, 2015 08:33 AM)
Haven't forgotten about this.
I no longer have my notes (tragically I can't find them), and searching through The Entire Works of Josephus on my Kindle is a pill. I found ONE reference this morning about the tie-in to scripture, but it attributed the reference to Pilate's men beating protesters of the aqueducts (which he used temple funds to build), and I'm PRETTY SURE there's another reference, a more specific one, about him ordering 12 men executed inside the temple grounds. So, I'll keep looking. -
lancer165 — 9 years ago(May 25, 2016 11:43 PM)
When it realised that the manufacture of the soon to become Christian faith was carried out within the Roman Empire it can be seen that it was necessary to dilute or sterilise the Roman involvement. It was also a good idea to portray the leaders of the Jews as the real culprits for the capture,trial and eventual execution. The conspiracy involved here was as good as any thought up by modern authors.
I do watch a great deal of biblical inspired stories. I cannot suggest that they are or are not accurate. But as many are not convinced about the whole story anyway what does that matter.
When we are being taught ethics and how to live a moral life the truth and accuracy is of less importance.
Mind you surely Michael Palin's Pilate must have been enjoyed even by not so radical or fundamental Christians.
It is only in relatively modern times the Vatican has shown any relaxation in its teachings that Christ was effectively allowed to be killed by the Jews. It was after all this faith that was intended to be discarded and put in the garbage bin. Think of Jews having to convert and of the Inquisition that had an effect on them also. Roman rule was brutal. In some areas very brutal.
Yes in 'life of Brian' they tortured some dissidents by making them write as punishment Romans Go Home 100 times. and we find that 'Brian' is not the Messiah but a 'very naughty boy'. -
ssalaunjr — 9 years ago(July 02, 2016 08:41 PM)
When it realised that the manufacture of the soon to become Christian faith was carried out within the Roman Empire it can be seen that it was necessary to dilute or sterilise the Roman involvement. It was also a good idea to portray the leaders of the Jews as the real culprits for the capture,trial and eventual execution. The conspiracy involved here was as good as any thought up by modern authors.
Actually, there was NO "dilution" nor "steriization" of the Roman involvement in the arrest, trial & crucifixion of Jesus. The Romans simply did what they HAD to do, i.e. put down any rebels, especially would-be Messiahs claiming to be kings. That was a direct threat to Roman rule & had to be dealt with severely. Given the waTy the Jewish leaders portrayed Jesus to Pilate, he really had very little choice, BUT to have Him crucified.
It is only in relatively modern times the Vatican has shown any relaxation in its teachings that Christ was effectively allowed to be killed by the Jews. It was after all this faith that was intended to be discarded and put in the garbage bin. Think of Jews having to convert and of the Inquisition that had an effect on them also. Roman rule was brutal. In some areas very brutal.
You should really try reading the 4 gospels some day! If you do, you will find the Jewish LEADERS (Scribes, Pharisees & Sadducees) were plotting & scheming against the life of Jesus for MOST of His active ministry! That is because Jesus exposed their hypocrisy in His preaching, and hypocrites just HATE for their hypocrisy to be exposed & condemned! They were the ones that PAID Judas to betray Jesus, arrested & tried Him by night ILLEGALLY, and after He resurrected, they paid the guards to lie. Yes, there were SOME Pharisees who did get saved, especially after Pentecost, Saul/Paul being the most notable, byt for the most part, they remained enemies of Christ, and refused to convert.