The levers that supplied the fuel to the engines were moved weren't they? Surely an electronic fault couldn't do that.
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stevesnake — 1 month ago(February 04, 2026 04:08 AM)
Steve-Lake-fake 🧦
🤪 explains the obvious.
Evidently it is not obvious to you.
The "levers" are the fuel switches, right?
Sorry, never heard the term "levers".
Yah, the two fuel switches or levers were moved.
Actually, you can move everything electronically…in theory.
The "levers" are the fuel switches, right?
Wrong.
The "levers" that were referred to are the throttles.
NOT the same as the fuel control switches.
These are the fuel control switches
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=787+fuel+control+switch&id=7BEE2FEF485FF4750B58FC5D4EF82981EB16946D&FORM=IQFRBA
I already posted a picture of the throttles.
Look at that second link I posted for you on my previously posted; you might actually learn something from that schematic.
Actually, you can move everything electronically…in theory.
You seem to be clueless.
I promise you that I have more experience with this type of equipment than you do. -
TaraDeS — 1 month ago(February 04, 2026 04:27 AM)
stevesnake February 04, 2026 05:08 AM
Member since January 25, 2026
Evidently it is not obvious to you.
"The 'levers' are the fuel switches, right?"
Wrong.
The "levers" that were referred to are the throttles.
NOT the same as the fuel control switches.
These are the fuel control switches
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=787+fuel+control+switch&id=7BEE2FEF485FF4750B58FC5D4EF82981EB16946D&FORM=IQFRBA
I already posted a picture of the throttles.
Look at that second link I posted for you on my previously posted; you might actually learn something.
"Actually, you can move everything electronically…in theory."
You seem to be clueless.
I promise you that I have more experience with this type of equipment than you do.
This annoying fake contributes nothing to clarifying the crash.
Soon, it'll explain the entire aircraft via copy-and-paste, to prove its wannabe-expertise.
All garnished with some baseless insults.
It's true what I said: Actually,
you can move everything electronically…in theory.
That the fake denies this only shows that it has no idea of physics and electrical engineering.
The new fake is only trolling. 🧦🤪
Over and out. -
stevesnake — 1 month ago(February 04, 2026 09:02 PM)
If you do not know the difference between the throttle levers and the fuel cutoff switches, there is no way that you can intelligently discuss this subject.
Get back to me when you have changed a few fuel controls on turbine engines. -
TaraDeS — 6 months ago(September 17, 2025 01:13 PM)
Pilot's Father seeks another Probe saying AAIB Findings tarnished his Son's Image
Perturbed with the preliminary findings of the AAIB inquiry into the Ahmedabad plane crash,
Pushkaraj Sabharwal, father of Captain Sumeet Sabharwal who was one of the pilots of the ill-fated
Air India Dreamliner, demanded a
"formal investigation"
by the central government.
Plane wreckage lifted through a crane two days after the disaster on June 12, 2025.
In one of the worst aircraft accidents in India, a total of 260 people, including 241 passengers, died after Air India's Boeing 787-8 aircraft operating flight AI171 to London Gatwick crashed soon after take off from Ahmedabad on June 12, 2025.
In a letter to the civil aviation secretary and AAIB Director General, the 91-year-old father Pushkaraj said that selective leaks about the accident led to speculation that his son Sumeet (56) was under tremendous psychological pressure and therefore was contemplating committing suicide.
"These innuendos have very adversely affected my health and mental setup and the reputation of Captain Sumeet Sabharwal. They tarnish Captain Sabharwal's reputation, which is a fundamental right guaranteed to a citizen of India under Article 21 of the Constitution of India,"
the letter, dated August 29, said.
Father Pushkaraj demanded that the central government order a formal enquiry into the accident under Rule 12 of the Aircraft (Investigation of Accidents and Incidents) Rules, 2017. Under Rule 12, the central government can institute a formal investigation into circumstances of any accident of an Indian registered aircraft if it appears expedient to hold such a probe. This would be in addition to the AAIB probe.
Amid speculations about the cause of the fatal crash after the release of its preliminary probe report,
AAIB asserted that it was too early to draw any
"definite conclusions"
on what led to the accident as the investigation was still on and that the final report will come out with the root causes. The probe agency also urged everyone to refrain from spreading premature narratives.
"The preliminary report on the contrary does not allude to the 'what happened' or the bare facts of the crash, instead resorting to insinuations on the one hand and offering copious clean chits to the manufacturer/s on the other. The report in its present form is deficient, diversionary & discrepant,"
the letter said. It also claimed that selective information of the preliminary investigation has been put out in the public domain and the material gathered during such investigation was released which include the contents of the cockpit voice recorder.
Funeral of Captain Sumeet Sabharwal (56) in Mumbai.
Pushkaraj also refuted speculations about the mental health of his son.
Citing reports, he said it was suggested that Sumeet was divorced and that caused him anxiety and depression.
"It even ignores the fact that Captain Sabharwal was divorced about 15 years ago. The other speculation relating to the cause for Captain Sabharwal being desirous of committing suicide has been his mother's death. His mother died more than three years ago."
After that, Captain Sabharwal operated more than 100 flights without any incident or accident.
"It is most pertinent to note that in over 25 years of flying, Captain Sabharwal had not had a single incident or accident-causing fatalities or otherwise,"
the letter said. He had almost 15,638 hours of flying experience out of which 8,596 hours were on the 787-8 aircraft. He was also designated as a Pilot Trainer i.e a Line Training Captain and had the DGCA licence for the purpose.
In the preliminary report, AAIB said that the fuel supply to both engines of the plane was cut off within a gap of one second, causing confusion in the cockpit soon after takeoff. In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut off. The other pilot responded that he did not do so.
There were no immediate comments from the civil aviation ministry and
the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) on the letter.
https://www.telegraphindia.com/business/air-india-plane-crash-pilots-father-seeks-another-probe-saying-aaib-findings-tarnished-his-sons-image/cid/2123572
September 17, 2025
Of course, the Captain's father is hurt.
Well, the AAIB didn't speculate, that was a newspaper and many people in the forums.
Father Pushkaraj's lawyer will figure it out. -
TaraDeS — 6 months ago(September 19, 2025 02:16 PM)
Air India Crash Victim Families sue Boeing and Honeywell
The families of four passengers who died in the Air India crash in June sued the aerospace manufacturers Boeing and Honeywell, blaming negligence and a faulty fuel cutoff switch
for the disaster that killed 260 people.
Air India flight 171 crashed shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad en route to London on June 12, 2025.
In a complaint filed on Tuesday in Delaware superior court, the plaintiffs said the locking mechanism for the switch on the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner could be turned off inadvertently, causing a loss of fuel supply and loss of thrust needed for takeoff. They said Boeing and Honeywell, which respectively installed and manufactured the switch, knew about that risk, especially after the USA Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) cautioned in 2018 about disengaged locking mechanisms on several Boeings.
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A report from a preliminary investigation into the crash by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) said Air India had not conducted the suggested inspections and that maintenance records showed the throttle control module, where the fuel switches are, was replaced in 2019 and 2023 on the plane involved in the crash.
The lawsuit maintains that the switches are in a place in the cockpit where they are more likely to be inadvertently pushed, which
"effectively guaranteed that normal cockpit activity could result in inadvertent fuel cutoff"
. However,
aviation safety experts told Reuters that they could not be accidentally flipped based on their location and design.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, declined to comment. Honeywell, based in Charlotte, North Carolina, did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Both companies are incorporated in Delaware.
The lawsuit appears to be the first in the USA over the crash. It seeks unspecified damages for the deaths of Kantaben Dhirubhai Paghadal, Naavya Chirag Paghadal, Kuberbhai Patel and Babiben Patel, who were among the 229 passengers who died. 12 crew members and 19 people on the ground were also killed. One passenger survived. The plaintiffs are all citizens of India or the UK.
Investigators from India, the UK and the USA have not conclusively determined the crash’s cause. The AAIB’s preliminary report in July appeared to exonerate Boeing and the engine-maker GE Aerospace, but some family groups criticised investigators and the press as too focused on the pilots’ actions. In July, Bryan Bedford, the FAA administrator, expressed a
"high level of confidence"
that a mechanical problem or inadvertent movement of fuel control components was not to blame.
Although most crashes are caused by a combination of factors, legal experts say lawyers representing victims’ families tend to target manufacturers because they are not subject to the same limits on liability as airlines. Such strategies can also increase the prospect of using USA courts, which are widely seen as being more generous to plaintiffs than many foreign courts. [
True!
]
Boeing incurred more than $20 billion (£14.6 billion) in legal and other costs from two fatal crashes of its 737 Max aircraft in 2018 and 2019. The bestselling plane was grounded for 20 months.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/18/air-india-crash-victim-families-sue-boeing-honeywell
September 18, 2025
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That's correct:
"The report, issued by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), noted a 2018 advisory from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), recommending airlines operating Boeing models to inspect the locking feature of fuel cutoff switches."
https://www.filmboards.com/board/p/22701155/permalink/#p22701155
But it still doesn't mean that bad lockers were the cause in this 2025 crash. -
TaraDeS — 6 months ago(October 04, 2025 02:03 AM)
AAIB & ALPA India meet to discuss Aviation Safety in Delhi
(October 03, 2025)
Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) invited Airlines Pilots’ Association
of India (ALPA) to a key meeting in Delhi on the AI 171 crash probe. -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 06, 2025 12:29 PM)
Pilots demand India Ground Boeing 787s to investigate Use of Emergency System
The Ram Air Turbine (RAT), used when electrical power or hydraulic pressure fails,
was deployed during an Air India flight that landed safely over the weekend.
The same system had been activated during a flight that crashed in June.
Air India said that one of its Boeing planes used an emergency system to land in Birmingham, England, on Saturday. It was at least the second time this year the system has been used on an Air India flight.
India’s largest association of pilots has asked regulators to ground all Boeing 787s in use in India and inspect them for electrical issues after one of the planes unexpectedly deployed an emergency power system over the weekend.
The device, known as the ram air turbine (RAT), drops from the fuselage when a plane loses power or hydraulic pressure, and helps power critical systems like flight controls and navigation instruments. The device deployed during Air India Flight 117, which landed safely in Birmingham, England, on Saturday.
Air India, the country’s largest air carrier, said in a statement that an initial inspection had found that
"all electrical and hydraulic parameters"
were normal with the flight.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/mid-air-scare-pilots-body-writes-to-dgca-after-rat-was-deployed-on-air-india-flight-probe-ordered/articleshow/124332878.cms
October 06, 2025
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/world/asia/air-india-boeing-planes.html
October 06, 2025
The RAT again!
Well, we shouldn't confuse cause and effect.
What does Captain Steeeve (who saw in June the RAT first) think about this?
Here's Captain Steeeve's newest video (2 days ago Friday/Saturday):
Pilot calls ATC (Air Traffic Control) an Idiot
LaGuardia
Ok, that wasn't really what I was looking for.
The comments clearly support the pilot's opinion.
Sounds interesting, I'll watch it now. -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 11, 2025 02:02 AM)
Durga Puja Pandal shows Air India Flight 171 Plane Crash
The following video from a religious festival in West Bengal (India) caught a lot of social media attention.
It shows a detailed representation of an Air India Boeing Dreamliner crash into a residential building, clearly meant to depict the fatal crash of Air India flight 171.
Durga Puja Pandal depicting Air India Crash sparks Outrage online
The display was created as a decoration for a Hindu festival which celebrates Durga the Mother Goddess: The goddess of power, strength and protection and one of the most important goddesses in Hinduism. Durga Puja, the festival which honours her, takes place over ten days in Ashvin (September-October) and is considered the most important festival of the year for Bengali Hindus, especially in West Bengal. It's traditional to design elaborate temporary structures, known as Puja Pandals, to venerate Durga.
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Although Pandals are celebrated for their elaborate designs and creative themes, the footage of the plane crash-themed Pandal sparked outrage across India. The Indian Express wrote that the Aircraft Pandals were a big hit among devotees and victims’ kin, with the organisers saying that the Pandal must be kept open until 2am because of the high number of people wanting to see it.
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There was another Pandal centered around the crash of Air India Flight 171 as a part of the Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations in Ahmedabad, where the aircraft crashed. India Today reports that it shows the aftermath of the crash, with fire crews attempting to respond to the wreckage and Lord Ganesha in the background. This festival and Pandal took place over a month ago and received much less attention.
Pandal in Ahmedabad
https://fearoflanding.com/demystifying/durga-puja-pandal-shows-air-india-flight-171-crash/
October 10, 2025
These
"Pandals"
are strangely fascinating.
Kolkata Durga Puja Pandal | Plane Crash Scene
Durga Puja Pandal (2025) Best Puja Pandals of Kolkata -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 11, 2025 02:40 AM)
Fo Jizzle October 11, 2025 04:27 AM
Member since November 5, 2018
The toilets were probably overflowing with ****, even before takeoff.
Your head is
"overflowing with s.h.i.t"
.
I begin to doubt that you're still Kirk.
Allegedly you're Kurt now.
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 14, 2025 12:36 AM)
Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner makes Emergency Diversion after Autopilot goes 'Haywire'
The pilots of an Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner flying from Vienna (Austria) to New Delhi were forced
to make an emergency diversion to Dubai after the autopilot started to go
'haywire'
.
An Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
The 11-year-old aircraft was flying at 39,000 feet, high above the Persian Gulf on October 09, 2025 when the plane unexpectedly started to
"deviate from its assigned flight level,"
according to a report in the Aviation Herald. The aircraft first climbed to 39,100 feet before dropping down to 39,000 feet, which was the altitude the pilots programmed into the autopilot for the aircraft to fly at. Moments later, the aircraft then climbed 39,125 feet of its own accord. At the same time, the pilots were alerted to a slew of computer malfunctions, including the autopilot, autothrust, flight director and autoland systems.
According to the Aviation Herald, the pilots managed to restore function to one of the autopilot systems
but decided to handfly the aircraft, diverting to Dubai, where the plane landed safely nearly an hour later.
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Earlier this month, the Federation of Indian Pilots called for all Boeing 787 Dreamliners in India to be grounded pending further checks after an emergency power system on another of Air India’s 787-8s activated without warning during the final moments of a flight to Birmingham, England. In that incident, the so-called RAT (Ram Air Turbine) deployed without warning. The RAT is a small propeller-driven turbine that pops out of the bottom of an airplane’s fuselage in the event of a serious electrical failure to provide the aircraft with an emergency supply of power.
The flight that diverted to Dubai cleared to return to the skies just three hours after landing, while the 787-8 that landed in Birmingham with its RAT deployed remained on the ground for a longer period while engineers thoroughly checked the plane.
Unfortunately, modern aircraft can experience computer malfunctions, although there are various backup systems and failsafes to keep passengers safe.
Last September, a United Airlines Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which was just about to cross the Atlantic Ocean, was forced to make an emergency landing after the cockpit computer displays suddenly went blank and the flight management system entered a
'degraded mode'
. At the time of the incident, the plane was flying at 35,000 feet in a remote region over Hudson Bay when the cockpit computer display on the Captain’s side of the plane suddenly went blank. At the same time, both flight management computers entered an emergency degraded mode, which limited the capabilities of the aircraft, including taking lateral navigation out of action.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2025/10/13/air-india-boeing-787-dreamliner-makes-emergency-diverson-after-autopilot-goes-haywire/
October 13, 2025
Perhaps those are still common occurrences with this large number of flights.
Well, I wouldn't like flying on a Dreamliner at the moment. -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 29, 2025 10:52 AM)
Air India Plane Crash was devastating for the Families, Staff, everyone involved
CEO Campbell Wilson, at his first public engagement in India after the aircraft crash, said:
"We obviously, as everyone else, await the final report, and if there's anything to learn from it, we will."
Air India plane crash was devastating for everyone involved, says CEO Campbell Wilson
Air India CEO Campbell Wilson, called the June plane crash
"devastating"
for everyone involved, including the airline staff and added that the carrier is doing everything it can to help the families of the victims.
He said that the airline is waiting for the final report.
Speaking at a conference in the national capital, Wilson said,
"It was absolutely devastating for the people involved, for the families of those involved and the staff…And since that time we have really been doing absolutely everything we can to support those affected, both families and also those on the ground, also the first responders and really do whatever we can to ease their journey forward."
Wilson, at his first public engagement in India after the aircraft crash, said,
"We obviously, as with everyone else, await the final report, and if there's anything to learn from it, we will."
The Air India CEO stated that anything that happens in the industry is cause for introspection and review.
"It is a cause for reviewing practices. As I said, the interim report indicated that there was nothing with aircraft, engines or practices that required changing…(we will) keep improving, keep getting better."
AIR INDIA PLANE CRASH
In one of the worst aircraft accidents in India, a total of 260 people, including 241 passengers, died after Air India's Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft operating flight AI171 to London Gatwick crashed soon after takeoff from Ahmedabad on June 12, 2025.
Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), in its preliminary report on the crash released on July 12, said the fuel supply to both engines of the plane was cut off within a gap of one second, causing confusion in the cockpit soon after takeoff.
"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why he cut off the fuel. The other pilot responded that he did not do so,"
the report stated.
Meanwhile, the Tata Group-owned airline completed the interim compensation for the crash victims and others and is working on the final compensation.
On October 07, Civil Aviation Minister K. Rammohan Naidu said there is
"no manipulation or dirty business"
happening in the investigation into the Air India plane crash.
https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/air-india-plane-crash-was-devastating-for-the-families-staff-everyone-involved-ceo-campbell-wilson-500008-2025-10-29
October 29, 2025
Always, when it comes to the question, who brought up first the conspiracy theory,
that one of the Indian pilots were responsible for the crash by flipping the fuel switches,
the name
"Jennifer"
appears in my head. You can find Jennifer on page #1 in this thread. #Jennifer -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(November 01, 2025 04:54 AM)
Air India - Singapore Airlines Partner Carrier seeks $1.1 Million after Plane Crash
The airline’s funding request signals deeper financial trouble
following the deadly Ahmedabad crash and airspace restrictions.
Air India sought ₹10,000 crore ($1.1 billion) in financial support from its owners,
Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines, according to a Bloomberg report.
The funding request aims to help the carrier recover from the tragedy, strengthen internal systems
and establish its own engineering and maintenance units as part of a broader turnaround plan.
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https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/10/31/singapore-airlines-partner-air-india-seeks-1-1-billion/
October 31, 2025
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