The levers that supplied the fuel to the engines were moved weren't they? Surely an electronic fault couldn't do that.
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TaraDeS — 6 months ago(September 19, 2025 02:16 PM)
Air India Crash Victim Families sue Boeing and Honeywell
The families of four passengers who died in the Air India crash in June sued the aerospace manufacturers Boeing and Honeywell, blaming negligence and a faulty fuel cutoff switch
for the disaster that killed 260 people.
Air India flight 171 crashed shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad en route to London on June 12, 2025.
In a complaint filed on Tuesday in Delaware superior court, the plaintiffs said the locking mechanism for the switch on the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner could be turned off inadvertently, causing a loss of fuel supply and loss of thrust needed for takeoff. They said Boeing and Honeywell, which respectively installed and manufactured the switch, knew about that risk, especially after the USA Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) cautioned in 2018 about disengaged locking mechanisms on several Boeings.
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A report from a preliminary investigation into the crash by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) said Air India had not conducted the suggested inspections and that maintenance records showed the throttle control module, where the fuel switches are, was replaced in 2019 and 2023 on the plane involved in the crash.
The lawsuit maintains that the switches are in a place in the cockpit where they are more likely to be inadvertently pushed, which
"effectively guaranteed that normal cockpit activity could result in inadvertent fuel cutoff"
. However,
aviation safety experts told Reuters that they could not be accidentally flipped based on their location and design.
Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, declined to comment. Honeywell, based in Charlotte, North Carolina, did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Both companies are incorporated in Delaware.
The lawsuit appears to be the first in the USA over the crash. It seeks unspecified damages for the deaths of Kantaben Dhirubhai Paghadal, Naavya Chirag Paghadal, Kuberbhai Patel and Babiben Patel, who were among the 229 passengers who died. 12 crew members and 19 people on the ground were also killed. One passenger survived. The plaintiffs are all citizens of India or the UK.
Investigators from India, the UK and the USA have not conclusively determined the crash’s cause. The AAIB’s preliminary report in July appeared to exonerate Boeing and the engine-maker GE Aerospace, but some family groups criticised investigators and the press as too focused on the pilots’ actions. In July, Bryan Bedford, the FAA administrator, expressed a
"high level of confidence"
that a mechanical problem or inadvertent movement of fuel control components was not to blame.
Although most crashes are caused by a combination of factors, legal experts say lawyers representing victims’ families tend to target manufacturers because they are not subject to the same limits on liability as airlines. Such strategies can also increase the prospect of using USA courts, which are widely seen as being more generous to plaintiffs than many foreign courts. [
True!
]
Boeing incurred more than $20 billion (£14.6 billion) in legal and other costs from two fatal crashes of its 737 Max aircraft in 2018 and 2019. The bestselling plane was grounded for 20 months.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/18/air-india-crash-victim-families-sue-boeing-honeywell
September 18, 2025
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That's correct:
"The report, issued by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), noted a 2018 advisory from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), recommending airlines operating Boeing models to inspect the locking feature of fuel cutoff switches."
https://www.filmboards.com/board/p/22701155/permalink/#p22701155
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TaraDeS — 6 months ago(October 04, 2025 02:03 AM)
AAIB & ALPA India meet to discuss Aviation Safety in Delhi
(October 03, 2025)
Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) invited Airlines Pilots’ Association
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 06, 2025 12:29 PM)
Pilots demand India Ground Boeing 787s to investigate Use of Emergency System
The Ram Air Turbine (RAT), used when electrical power or hydraulic pressure fails,
was deployed during an Air India flight that landed safely over the weekend.
The same system had been activated during a flight that crashed in June.
Air India said that one of its Boeing planes used an emergency system to land in Birmingham, England, on Saturday. It was at least the second time this year the system has been used on an Air India flight.
India’s largest association of pilots has asked regulators to ground all Boeing 787s in use in India and inspect them for electrical issues after one of the planes unexpectedly deployed an emergency power system over the weekend.
The device, known as the ram air turbine (RAT), drops from the fuselage when a plane loses power or hydraulic pressure, and helps power critical systems like flight controls and navigation instruments. The device deployed during Air India Flight 117, which landed safely in Birmingham, England, on Saturday.
Air India, the country’s largest air carrier, said in a statement that an initial inspection had found that
"all electrical and hydraulic parameters"
were normal with the flight.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/mid-air-scare-pilots-body-writes-to-dgca-after-rat-was-deployed-on-air-india-flight-probe-ordered/articleshow/124332878.cms
October 06, 2025
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/06/world/asia/air-india-boeing-planes.html
October 06, 2025
The RAT again!
Well, we shouldn't confuse cause and effect.
What does Captain Steeeve (who saw in June the RAT first) think about this?
Here's Captain Steeeve's newest video (2 days ago Friday/Saturday):
Pilot calls ATC (Air Traffic Control) an Idiot
LaGuardia
Ok, that wasn't really what I was looking for.
The comments clearly support the pilot's opinion.
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 11, 2025 02:02 AM)
Durga Puja Pandal shows Air India Flight 171 Plane Crash
The following video from a religious festival in West Bengal (India) caught a lot of social media attention.
It shows a detailed representation of an Air India Boeing Dreamliner crash into a residential building, clearly meant to depict the fatal crash of Air India flight 171.
Durga Puja Pandal depicting Air India Crash sparks Outrage online
The display was created as a decoration for a Hindu festival which celebrates Durga the Mother Goddess: The goddess of power, strength and protection and one of the most important goddesses in Hinduism. Durga Puja, the festival which honours her, takes place over ten days in Ashvin (September-October) and is considered the most important festival of the year for Bengali Hindus, especially in West Bengal. It's traditional to design elaborate temporary structures, known as Puja Pandals, to venerate Durga.
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Although Pandals are celebrated for their elaborate designs and creative themes, the footage of the plane crash-themed Pandal sparked outrage across India. The Indian Express wrote that the Aircraft Pandals were a big hit among devotees and victims’ kin, with the organisers saying that the Pandal must be kept open until 2am because of the high number of people wanting to see it.
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There was another Pandal centered around the crash of Air India Flight 171 as a part of the Ganesh Chaturthi celebrations in Ahmedabad, where the aircraft crashed. India Today reports that it shows the aftermath of the crash, with fire crews attempting to respond to the wreckage and Lord Ganesha in the background. This festival and Pandal took place over a month ago and received much less attention.
Pandal in Ahmedabad
https://fearoflanding.com/demystifying/durga-puja-pandal-shows-air-india-flight-171-crash/
October 10, 2025
These
"Pandals"
are strangely fascinating.
Kolkata Durga Puja Pandal | Plane Crash Scene
Durga Puja Pandal (2025) Best Puja Pandals of Kolkata -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 11, 2025 02:40 AM)
Fo Jizzle October 11, 2025 04:27 AM
Member since November 5, 2018
The toilets were probably overflowing with ****, even before takeoff.
Your head is
"overflowing with s.h.i.t"
.
I begin to doubt that you're still Kirk.
Allegedly you're Kurt now.
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 14, 2025 12:36 AM)
Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner makes Emergency Diversion after Autopilot goes 'Haywire'
The pilots of an Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner flying from Vienna (Austria) to New Delhi were forced
to make an emergency diversion to Dubai after the autopilot started to go
'haywire'
.
An Air India Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
The 11-year-old aircraft was flying at 39,000 feet, high above the Persian Gulf on October 09, 2025 when the plane unexpectedly started to
"deviate from its assigned flight level,"
according to a report in the Aviation Herald. The aircraft first climbed to 39,100 feet before dropping down to 39,000 feet, which was the altitude the pilots programmed into the autopilot for the aircraft to fly at. Moments later, the aircraft then climbed 39,125 feet of its own accord. At the same time, the pilots were alerted to a slew of computer malfunctions, including the autopilot, autothrust, flight director and autoland systems.
According to the Aviation Herald, the pilots managed to restore function to one of the autopilot systems
but decided to handfly the aircraft, diverting to Dubai, where the plane landed safely nearly an hour later.
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Earlier this month, the Federation of Indian Pilots called for all Boeing 787 Dreamliners in India to be grounded pending further checks after an emergency power system on another of Air India’s 787-8s activated without warning during the final moments of a flight to Birmingham, England. In that incident, the so-called RAT (Ram Air Turbine) deployed without warning. The RAT is a small propeller-driven turbine that pops out of the bottom of an airplane’s fuselage in the event of a serious electrical failure to provide the aircraft with an emergency supply of power.
The flight that diverted to Dubai cleared to return to the skies just three hours after landing, while the 787-8 that landed in Birmingham with its RAT deployed remained on the ground for a longer period while engineers thoroughly checked the plane.
Unfortunately, modern aircraft can experience computer malfunctions, although there are various backup systems and failsafes to keep passengers safe.
Last September, a United Airlines Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which was just about to cross the Atlantic Ocean, was forced to make an emergency landing after the cockpit computer displays suddenly went blank and the flight management system entered a
'degraded mode'
. At the time of the incident, the plane was flying at 35,000 feet in a remote region over Hudson Bay when the cockpit computer display on the Captain’s side of the plane suddenly went blank. At the same time, both flight management computers entered an emergency degraded mode, which limited the capabilities of the aircraft, including taking lateral navigation out of action.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2025/10/13/air-india-boeing-787-dreamliner-makes-emergency-diverson-after-autopilot-goes-haywire/
October 13, 2025
Perhaps those are still common occurrences with this large number of flights.
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(October 29, 2025 10:52 AM)
Air India Plane Crash was devastating for the Families, Staff, everyone involved
CEO Campbell Wilson, at his first public engagement in India after the aircraft crash, said:
"We obviously, as everyone else, await the final report, and if there's anything to learn from it, we will."
Air India plane crash was devastating for everyone involved, says CEO Campbell Wilson
Air India CEO Campbell Wilson, called the June plane crash
"devastating"
for everyone involved, including the airline staff and added that the carrier is doing everything it can to help the families of the victims.
He said that the airline is waiting for the final report.
Speaking at a conference in the national capital, Wilson said,
"It was absolutely devastating for the people involved, for the families of those involved and the staff…And since that time we have really been doing absolutely everything we can to support those affected, both families and also those on the ground, also the first responders and really do whatever we can to ease their journey forward."
Wilson, at his first public engagement in India after the aircraft crash, said,
"We obviously, as with everyone else, await the final report, and if there's anything to learn from it, we will."
The Air India CEO stated that anything that happens in the industry is cause for introspection and review.
"It is a cause for reviewing practices. As I said, the interim report indicated that there was nothing with aircraft, engines or practices that required changing…(we will) keep improving, keep getting better."
AIR INDIA PLANE CRASH
In one of the worst aircraft accidents in India, a total of 260 people, including 241 passengers, died after Air India's Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft operating flight AI171 to London Gatwick crashed soon after takeoff from Ahmedabad on June 12, 2025.
Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB), in its preliminary report on the crash released on July 12, said the fuel supply to both engines of the plane was cut off within a gap of one second, causing confusion in the cockpit soon after takeoff.
"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why he cut off the fuel. The other pilot responded that he did not do so,"
the report stated.
Meanwhile, the Tata Group-owned airline completed the interim compensation for the crash victims and others and is working on the final compensation.
On October 07, Civil Aviation Minister K. Rammohan Naidu said there is
"no manipulation or dirty business"
happening in the investigation into the Air India plane crash.
https://www.businesstoday.in/india/story/air-india-plane-crash-was-devastating-for-the-families-staff-everyone-involved-ceo-campbell-wilson-500008-2025-10-29
October 29, 2025
Always, when it comes to the question, who brought up first the conspiracy theory,
that one of the Indian pilots were responsible for the crash by flipping the fuel switches,
the name
"Jennifer"
appears in my head. You can find Jennifer on page #1 in this thread. #Jennifer -
TaraDeS — 5 months ago(November 01, 2025 04:54 AM)
Air India - Singapore Airlines Partner Carrier seeks $1.1 Million after Plane Crash
The airline’s funding request signals deeper financial trouble
following the deadly Ahmedabad crash and airspace restrictions.
Air India sought ₹10,000 crore ($1.1 billion) in financial support from its owners,
Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines, according to a Bloomberg report.
The funding request aims to help the carrier recover from the tragedy, strengthen internal systems
and establish its own engineering and maintenance units as part of a broader turnaround plan.
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https://aviationa2z.com/index.php/2025/10/31/singapore-airlines-partner-air-india-seeks-1-1-billion/
October 31, 2025
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TaraDeS — 5 months ago(November 03, 2025 06:56 AM)
Sole Survivor of Air India Crash says Death of Brother "took all my Happiness"
Vishwash Kumar Ramesh describes his survival as
"miracle"
but says his sibling’s death in disaster has left him broken.
Vishwash Kumar Ramesh (39) said the crash had left him with constant "flashbacks".
The sole survivor of the Air India plane crash that killed 260 people in June has said it is a miracle he is still alive, but the death of his brother
"took all my happiness"
. Almost four months on from the crash in the Indian city of Ahmedabad, Briton Vishwash Kumar Ramesh said the incident had left him with constant flashbacks. The 39-year-old said the death of his brother, Ajay, who was on the same flight, meant his family had lost everything.
"I lost everything – my happiness. God gave me life but took all my happiness, and from my family,"
he told the PA news agency.
"It completely brought down my family - it’s very difficult for me and my family."
The London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashed into a medical college shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad airport on 12 June, killing everyone on board except Ramesh. Among those killed were 169 Indian nationals and 52 British nationals, making it one of the deadliest plane crashes in terms of the number of British fatalities. Besides those on board flight AI171, another 19 people died and 67 were seriously injured on the ground.
Ramesh said the crash itself was still too painful to discuss, adding
he could not bring himself to speak about his first memory after the incident. His advisers said he still has not spoken about it with close family.
In a statement prepared with the assistance of his advisers, he said he was broken and stays awake at night because of the flashbacks.
He said:
"I get flashbacks all the time, I just stay awake, I sleep maybe three to four hours. Yes it’s a miracle I survived, but I lost everything, I lost my brother, I’m broken."
He told PA:
"My family have given me good support. My mother, father and my younger brother totally broke down, like mentally. And also me – mentally, physically. My uncle, my cousin, my friends, (advisers) Sanjiv, Radd – they have given me good support – they’re always here. Mentally and physically – I’m not talking about too much with my family as I’m in my room, alone. I don’t like to talk too much. I’m just sitting on my bed and thinking.
I lost my brother, 35 years old – every day I’m struggling."
Air India said that an offer of a meeting with senior leaders from the airline’s parent company, Tata Group, has been made, and said care for the families of the crash victims, including Mr Ramesh,
"remains our absolute priority"
. It is understood an interim payment has been accepted and transferred to Mr Ramesh. The airline said it would pay the families of each victim £85,000 [$111,755].
A preliminary report into the incident from India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) found both of the plane’s fuel switches moved to the cut-off position
"immediately"
after takeoff, stopping fuel supply to the engine. It remains unclear why this happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/03/sole-survivor-of-air-india-crash-says-death-of-brother-took-all-my-happiness
November 03, 2025
https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/uk/2025/11/03/soul-survivor-of-india-plane-crash-calls-on-air-india-to-honour-promise-to-treat-victims-like-family/
November 03, 2025
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TaraDeS — 4 months ago(November 05, 2025 08:45 AM)
Deadliest Plane Crashes 2025
2025 was a devastating year for aviation, marked by catastrophic crashes worldwide.
Here are some of the most significant air disasters that shook the globe this year.
Kentucky, USA
November 04, 2025
At least 7 people died in a fiery cargo plane crash in Kentucky, USA. A postal aircraft with three people on board crashed right after takeoff, exploding into an enormous fireball and hitting two local businesses. The explosion impacted a petroleum recycling centre and an auto parts business. Authorities have to deal with an
"active situation"
, as fears of further explosions remain.
UPS flight 2976 from Louisville, KY to Honolulu, an MD-11 aircraft, crashed during takeoff around 17.15 pm (local time) on Tuesday [
yesterday
], sparking an enormous emergency response. A shelter-in-place order was issued for the surrounding areas. Jet fuel spilled around a densely populated industrial zone, and the fire continues to burn hours after the crash.
Brescia, Italy
July 23, 2025
The horrifying moment a plane nose-dived onto a highway was caught on camera. 2 people were killed when the ultralight aircraft ran into trouble and plunged from the sky onto the busy road in Italy’s Brescia region. The plane was incinerated in the resulting fireball and both the pilot and passenger were killed instantly. They were identified as Milanese lawyer Sergio Ravaglia (75) and his partner Anna Maria Stefano (60), according to Brescia Today.
London, UK
July 13, 2025
A small aircraft crashed and caught fire moments after taking off from London Southend Airport, creating a fireball on impact. The Beechcraft B200 Super King Air, operated by Dutch firm Zeusch Aviation, was en route to the Netherlands when it encountered difficulties and crashed within the airport boundary. Authorities confirmed 4 foreigners who were on the plane sadly died when the 12-metre-long turboprop craft came down moments after take-off and burst into flames. Two Dutch pilots and a Chilean nurse were among those on board, according to a document which lists passengers. One woman on the plane was on her first day working as a flight nurse, according to the BBC.
Ahmedabad, India
June 12, 2025
June saw a catastrophic crash of Air India Flight 171 shortly after takeoff from Ahmedabad Airport, where only one person survived out of 242 passengers and crew. The official death toll rose as search teams discovered more bodies, and the crash also claimed 19 lives on the ground. It was the first fatal crash and hull loss of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, which killed 260 people.
Omdurman, Sudan
February 25, 2025
At least 46 people died in one of the deadliest plane crashes in the northeastern African nation in the past two decades. The military Antonov aircraft crashed over a populated district in the city of Omdurman, also injuring at least 10 people, according to the government-run Khartoum Media Office. The military said the plane crashed while taking off from the Wadi Sayidna air base north of Omdurman, which is the sister city of the capital, Khartoum. The crash also damaged a number of houses in the Karrari district of Omdurman.
Alaska, USA
February 07, 2025
A day after it went missing, the wreckage of Bering Air Flight 445 was found off the coast of Alaska. All 10 people on board perished when the plane suffered a sudden altitude drop and crashed into Norton Sound. Preliminary reports suggested the plane was overweight but investigators continue to look into all factors.
Philadelphia, USA
January 31, 2025
USA medevac Learjet 55 crashed into a residential area in Philadelphia shortly after takeoff, killing 7 people. Six individuals aboard the aircraft and one person on the ground died, while at least 23 more were injured. The crash caused an explosion that ignited several homes, marking it as a tragic disaster.
Washington D.C., USA
January 29, 2025
American Airlines Flight 5342, a Bombardier CRJ700 airliner collided mid-air with a US Army Sikorsky UH-60L Black Hawk helicopter over the Potomac River in Washington, DC. The crash killed 67 people.
https://thenightly.com.au/world/2025-worst-plane-crashes-washington-collision-air-india-disaster-ups-cargo-plane-missing-alaska-flight-c-20584866
November 05, 2025
Happy Hump Day!
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TaraDeS — 4 months ago(November 05, 2025 09:40 AM)
One notable plane crash is missing from this
'list'
.
Nyala, Sudan
May 03, 2025
Cargo Boeing 737-290C Advanced, operated by IBM Airlines was destroyed at Nyala Airport by the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) during the Sudanese civil war. It was destroyed due to suspicions of carrying military weapons and supplies to the Rapid Support Forces (RSF).
All 20 occupants on board the aircraft were killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_IBM_Airlines_Boeing_737_incident -
TaraDeS — 4 months ago(November 08, 2025 11:50 AM)
Catastrophic Crash that killed 260, Court says Captain was not to blame
"You should not carry this burden that your son is being blamed,"
Justice Surya Kant told the Air India pilot's dad.
Captain Sumeet Sabharwal - Crash site of Air India Ltd. Flight 171 in Ahmedabad, India.
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Gopal Shankaranarayan, the lawyer for Sumeet’s father, cited concerns about a Wall Street Journal article that he believed placed blame on the pilot, but the judge pushed back. The article suggested that the co-pilot thought the captain had turned off the plane’s fuel switches and seemed calm when the co-pilot raised concerns.
"We are not bothered by foreign reports. Your remedy should then be before a foreign court?
It's just nasty reporting,"
Justice Kant explained. The lawyer argued,
"I am concerned because they cited an Indian government source."
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https://people.com/air-india-captain-was-not-to-blame-for-crash-that-killed-260-court-says-11845651
November 07, 2025
India's Top Court says Air India Crash Report does not insinuate anything against Pilot
India's top court said on Friday [
yesterday
] that a preliminary report on an Air India crash that killed 260 people in June does not insinuate anything against the captain, but it will hear a plea from the pilot's father on November 10 for an independent probe.
The plea by 91-year-old Pushkar Raj Sabharwal for an investigation by a panel of aviation experts, headed by a retired Supreme Court judge, came weeks after he criticised the government investigation.
He said two officials from India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) who visited him had implied that his son, pilot Sumeet Sabharwal, cut the fuel to the plane’s engine after take-off. The government has denied such accusations, calling the investigation
"very clean"
and
"very thorough"
.
India's air accidents investigation body published an interim report earlier this year saying the plane's fuel engine switches had almost simultaneously flipped from run to cutoff just after takeoff.
https://www.reuters.com/world/india/india-top-court-says-air-india-crash-report-does-not-insinuate-anything-against-2025-11-07/
November 07, 2025
Correct decision.
Justice Surya Kant gave the lawyer a surprisingly clear advice.
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