Does anybody think AGONY's Hell seems worst than DOOM's Hell?
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Mats_Thy_Wit — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:03 PM)
It looks very good from a design standpoint but I wouldn't even begin to compare it to Doom. It's an entirely different type of game attempting to evoke an entirely different type of reaction. The Doom hell isn't supposed to fill people with fear, suspense, and dread because Doom is camp horror, tongue firmly planted in cheek, that wants to make you smile rather than scare you. By contrast obviously Agony is going for something more lovecraftian and dreadful.
And amusingly enough in my opinion the fact that Agony appears to largely be a walking simulator in which you walk through hell, with everything being an incredibly elaborately detailed and even colorful setpiece, and populated by characters that wander around performing largely scripted actions over and overAgony comes across as a adult horror themed Disneyland ride. -
DarklordRB — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 11:50 PM)
Agony comes across as a adult horror themed Disneyland ride.
Well, that Disneyland remark is just my own witticism. One witticism I heard on the message boards under the AGONY's video is that AGONY makes DOOM look like My Little Pony. Heh. -
simbob4000 — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 11:06 PM)
New DOOM? Yeah, it does look a lot better than new DOOM's hell. But then original DOOMs had a better Hell too, and if you did their version of Hell in nice new 3D you'd probably get something more along the lines of the environments in AGONY.
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Mats_Thy_Wit — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 11:22 PM)
Have you gone back and played the original 1993 Doom, vanilla, with no mods, any time in the last couple of years? Nostalgia aside it's hell was basically a lot of skulls in the back ground and the color red, and that was it. I love the original Doom but in terms of design it was nowhere near as creative and visually interesting as the 2016 Doom's version of Hell.
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simbob4000 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:36 AM)
Doom 2016's hell is fûcking boring compared to the old games, as are the reworked monster design, and even the normal environments for that matter too. If you brought the games environments before Doom 3 up to date they'd be more along the lines of Agony than the new game. That agony video that was posted is basically like a more dense version of those intestines brain whatever floors and columns you had in the originals.
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Mats_Thy_Wit — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:47 AM)
None of the Doom games feature a hell, or any other level, that is remotely similar in any way to anything we see in the footage for Agony. They just don't. You seem to be looking at things through a rose colored nostalgic tinge and holding the 2016 Doom to an unrealistic standard because of your fandom for the older games.
When you look at the monster design for example in the 2016 Doom compared to the previous 2 games I'm really not sure how you can realistically argue that the new games designs are more "boring" than what's come before. For example:
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Putting aside nostalgia can you really look at the first two Revenant designs alongside the design for the 4th game and genuinely claim the fourth one is in any way worse? Because I can't.
looking at level design I'm not really sure how this:
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2014/08/ten-years-on-doom-3/doom3-1920x1080.jpg
is any more inventive and visually interesting than this:
https://tech4gamers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DOOM-4K.jpg
There are plenty more examples I could go through but I imagine you get my point. -
simbob4000 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 03:55 AM)
The original Dooms do feature something just like the opening of that very video the op posted. It doesn't look exactly like that, but I didn't say it did; but then you couldn't do that in the early '90s with Dooms engine anyways. But if you were to update those stages in Doom where things like the floor are all moving intestines, you'd get something like what's in Agony. You update something like the wall texture of human faces all put together you'd conceptually have something more like the monsters lair in Jeepers Creepers than anything Doom 2016 did. You update Doom and Doom 2 stuff and you'd fall more in line with Agony environments than Doom 2016 environments. Spiritually and philosophically Agony's environments fall in line with original Doom's environments more than Doom 2016s too. Doom was meant to be shocking, it's environments for the time were shocking, Agony's environments seem to be shocking, (at least a lot of people online seem to be shocked by it) but there ain't nothing fûcking shocking about Doom 2016.
Why the fûck are you posting a Doom 3 level when I specifically said I was talking about the games before Doom 3? This (
http://smugfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/doom7.jpg
)and this (
http://smugfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/doom2.jpg
) are far more visually interesting environments than the pictures you posted from the later games.
I can look at the designs for all the monsters in Doom and Doom 2 and realistically tell you they're better than the redesigns found in Doom 3 and Doom 2016because they are. That goes for original Doom Guy being a better design then new Doom Guy too. New Doom Revenant has too much business going on. He looks more interesting without all the meat on the skull and without eyes, and the new chest armor looks fûcking stupid. (The Doom 3 one having stupid looking armor is a problem it has too) They just added too much shît to it in new Doom, tried to make it more logical, added more meat because I guess it doesn't make any sense or something stupid like that that it could move around as a skeleton. Add little bits of tech into the meat as if to seeming explain further how it could move around. But that's dumb, it's more interesting when its unexplainable. It's also not even as interesting of a design as the original unused version of the Revenant that was going to have some muscle and veins on it (
https://photos.smugmug.com/Video-Games/The-Archives/i-8djkVsC/1/O/model_revenant.jpg
).
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