So what is the conspiracy?
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vbenesh — 14 years ago(April 15, 2011 05:10 PM)
Charlie_Strom, I would like you to provide factual evidence for every point you tried making before I can even begin to believe 2% of it. You just presented thousands of words worth of conspiracies (and probably blatant lies) without presenting any truly factual evidence and/or references to back any of it up. Congratulations, you failed and wasted plenty of time in the process.
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downder55 — 14 years ago(April 22, 2011 10:03 PM)
vbenesh, how about you quit being lazy, and research for yourself. Take time to weigh and balance both sides of the conspiracy instead of awaiting on someone else to present the information to you. I do find it very peculiar when people refuse to incorporate bits of factual evidence, but rather dismiss it as conspiracy (even though conspiracies are made every day by all people). A conspiracy theory is essentially a criminal investigation, where as some are strong and some are weak. But because conspiracies can be investigated by all walks of life, the "criminal investigation" can be convoluted with personal opinions, and inefficient research. Still, the 9/11 conspiracy is an extremely strong conspiracy which can incline anyone to accept that the U.S was most definitely aware of a terrorist attack to occur. I talked to a professor of mine, and he stated that the happening of the attack was just because of sloppy action by the federal govt. But if that were to be the case, was the Tillman lie merely because of sloppy misinformation. Was the October Surprise event merely because of sloppy choices by the conservative related officialsetc. "Sloppy action" is essentially a cop out of a more underlying truth that has potential evidence. As a history major, one cannot accept a "sloppy" perspective of an event. There is a concise happening for any historical event, but its convoluted through bias and individual analysis'therefore as rational thinkers, we must strive to cooperate and uncover this consise happening.
I saw the documentary tonight (ironically on pat's death), and its a terrible, terrible shame. I'm not surprised our federal govt. used his death as a propaganda tool, but it was heartbreaking listening to the family's story. Mike Ruppert and his investigative team in 'From the Wilderness' did an excellent job covering this. -
obelix99 — 14 years ago(April 30, 2011 02:34 PM)
God Pawalshwhat are you? The 9/11 Commission? Where did you come up with all your beep
- Tower 7 as you put it, did not fall because the other two towers 'fall on them'. Get your facts straight. The 9/11 report didn't even mention Bldg 7 in their report. But the official story would tell it that the building caught on fire due to the debris from tower 1 and 2. The fire cause the building to collapse. This is the beep No fires have ever brought down a building EVER. Not before 9/11. Not after 9/11. Yet on 9/11 3 fell because of fire. Coincidence? The fact that they fell at free fall speed doesn't raise a question mark in your brain? Even if the building pancaked, there's no scenario where a pancaked building could collapse at free fall speed. None. Did you even take physics in school? How about the pools of molten metal found underneath all 3 towers? They were there for at least a month burning at over 2500 degrees. Still no questions?
- Your story about Bin Laden had me giggling. It's obviouspainfully odious that you believe everything you are told by our government. Now let me educate you and maybe you can do some thinking. Days after 9/11, Bin Laden said he had nothing to do with it. But then in November, they found a tape in an Afghanistan cave that would show Bin Laden sitting next to his buddies taking claim for it. Really? What movie is this from? I commit the crime of the century, tape it, then leave the tape in a cave to be found by American soldiers? What movie is this from? ON top of that, if you look at the tape, you can clearly see that Bin Laden..DOESN'T look like Bin Laden? It's so funny that you think this is real. In fact, Bin Laden has always worked for the CIA under the name Tim Osman. We trained him in Afghanistan, we armed him, we supported him. When things go bad, we can just blame him. Bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11 but he makes one hell of a boogieman. If he was responsible for 9/11, it would have listed 9/11 on the FBI report. It doesn't. That should tell you something. They have no hard evidence to connect him to 9/11.
DO some more research pal. I've done mine. Your attempt at trying to explain 9/11 only makes you look stupid and make me laugh. Thanks for trying but you can chalk this up as a bigF A I L!!!
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pawalsh — 14 years ago(May 02, 2011 07:03 PM)
ha! ha! ok obelix99 way to keep the delusion alive man, I guess sending the Navy SEAL's in this weekend was to silent the source of truth? I stand by my post. I'm sorry a different of opinion makes you see someone as stupid and a failure, if I can only be as narrow minded as you man lol
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IThinkImMe — 14 years ago(May 04, 2011 03:51 PM)
Pay no attention to Bulletcatcher, he's a brainwashed disinfo agent. Look at his posts on other topics here on imdb and you'll see that he is in fact, a complete idiot. I for one hope he lives up to his name and catches a bullet, between the eyes
Do you think they're cognisant of how bad they got it? Lets hope not, poor b@sterds -
shurbanm — 14 years ago(August 13, 2011 06:28 AM)
There is no need to believe this. The facts are there
Americans elected a moron in the form of George W Bush to lead them
American population is >30% obese by current (2010) statistics.
Case closed.
p.s. i am american by the way and not proud. -
WWu777 — 14 years ago(October 16, 2011 07:44 AM)
pawalsh:
Ok you believe everything you read and all Americans are fat assed and watch to much dancing with the stars. You really need more of a case then this for me to believe it. 1 u don't like America because you say were all mindless fat assess 2 Over 1400 architects and engineers wants 9/11 to be re-investigated because there's no way in hell that two planes hit two building causing 3 to collapse into its footprint at free fall speed.
Only 2 fell at first, tower 7 fell after 1 & 2 towers landed on them if I remember right and don't forget the buildings were built with the outside used as the metal support not like a conventional building with a metal skeleton frame, so the burning fuel would cause the concrete floors to pancake and fall on themselves.
My biggest problem I have with people saying it was an inside job is why would Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda take credit and claim to doing it? the entire worlds media would have to be in on this claim of what your saying to blame al quada and not investigate the US goverment which I can't see happening. You don't like the US and all the worlds newspapers, intel agencys ect do like us enough that they would fabercate this as an attack with us and over look it if we did for some strange reason to kill 3000 people on US soil. Let me guess it was for the oil right, the oil were buying now off the same arab and south american people we were buying it off of before 9/11/01,. What's changed since 9/11/2001 that bennifed us for us to attack ourselves?
The pancake theory was debunked years ago. Not even the US government defends it anymore. They now claim an inward bowing theory. The pancake theory didn't fit the data. If it happened, there would be a stack of many floors at the bottom, and the collapse would be slow, not fast, and there would be 42 core steel columns still standing. None of that was there. Only pulverized dust was. Thus the pancake theory fits none of the data.
This is basic logic and common sense. It's sad that so many Americans like you lack basic logic. Even many children can see that the official 9/11 story was a farce. No rational person who has looked into it buys it.
The US media told you that Bin Laden admitted to 9/11. Bin Laden didn't tell you that. The US media also showed a video of Palestinians in 1994 rejoicing something, and claiming that they were rejoicing about 9/11, when that video was from 1994. Thus the US media has planted or staged false footage in the past. Your problem is that you believe everything you hear, and that authority=truth to you.
Actually, if you do the research, 9/11 has been proven to be a fraud, I mean the official version of it. This would take hours to get into. But might I suggest you see these films on 9/11? They are all available on YouTube for free and are irrefutable.
Zero: An Investigation into 9/11
9/11 Blueprint for Truth
9/11 Explosive Evidence: Experts Speak Out
There are now 1500 professional credible architects and engineers that say that the government's theory that fire alone caused three steel skyscrapers to fall at free fall speed and pulverize to dust, is 100 percent impossible. It's a no brainer. Even children can see that it's BS. How sad that most American adults don't see that.
http://www.ae911truth.org
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com
The cell phone calls from airlines on 9/11 was also impossible. Next time you fly on an airline, turn on your cell phone during flight and you will see that it has no signal. Anyone can test this. It's another smoking gun that debunks the official 9/11 story.
In the alternative research community, there is no debate about the official story of 9/11 being a fraud. No one defends it anymore. The only question is how the perpetrators did it. That is what is being debated now.
http://www.happierabroad.com- The Overseas Solution for Single Men
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DariusStrain — 14 years ago(May 09, 2011 11:48 AM)
Most militaries in the world, I think in US as well, are quite sheltered in that they really can't be 'sued'. The military is there to protect the nation, or so they claim, but nobody really protects the people of a nation from the military.
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clearthinkernow — 12 years ago(July 10, 2013 05:52 PM)
The conspiracy is the that everyone was told to lie to the family. Remember that Pat gave up $3.6 million dollars to join the army. The last thing the Army wanted was that we should find out that Pat's life meant nothing and it was for nothing that he joined (and died). They (the Army) made out that Pat was a hero (in his death), not the family.
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AimC — 9 years ago(November 11, 2016 11:59 AM)
I forget, did this movie get into conspiracies?
I seem to recall that it just talked of friendly fire but that didn't make much sense to be shot thrice in the head from the bottom of a mountain when he was around the top.
I've heard of the gov't losing their love for him because he was opposed to the Iraq war and had plans to go public with his thoughts but I don't think this movie went into that.