I am so sick of movies about born-again white men delivering 'justice'
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IceboxMovies — 14 years ago(September 16, 2011 02:34 PM)
The point of film criticism is either to provide future film-makers with insight on film itself
Right. And had Marc Forster listened to his critics, he'd realize how fundamentally wrong it is for Hollywood to endorse yet
another
movie where black audiences are taught that they ought to trust the White Savior.
"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter." -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 12:38 AM)
Well, so there, you see, the movie is actually pro blacks..
And people will still see the white guys as the bad guys because they will wonder why don't the developed countries do more to help those people.
And it will make people donate even more to africa and travel even more to africa and have more pity for africans because they're having such a tough life and someone needs to help them.
But gosh, zebras are also having a tough life in africa,, why don't we go save them too ? -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 03:39 AM)
I didn't reduce it to race, someone else did.
Im just saying what the public understands out of movies. They will hate the civilized world even more for not helping africans.
We have boats and airplanes and those people are dying, it's unfair. Thats what they will all think.
And yeah, ok, let's not reduce it to race, but isn't the bad guy in pretty much every movie ever made, a white guy ?
And generally that bad guy will be smart in a devious way. And that's just brilliant, let's hate anybody that isn't a complete wuss. We'll just have the underdog win again thru some amazing luck or some lame trick and everybody is happy.
There's a fkload of self hate lately, that's for sure. -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 10:04 AM)
You're certainly misunderstanding what i said about the self hate.
Do you get the impression that i have a problem with self hate ? XD
And not really, there are plenty of cases where the main character is not a white guy or girl. And im sure there are plenty of movies that are purposefully anti racist.
Its rather a hipocrisy to say anything else of hollywood -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 17, 2011 02:19 PM)
Yeah, my opinion is that movies make people hate themselves and their society. Look at avatar for example, everybody is cheering when people get their ass kicked on that planet. In Rise of the planet of the apes, the same thing.
It's true they were shown as being the 'good guys' so that's why people cheer for them. But it's starting to become really popular lately to do that. This only shows that people have indeed started to hate themselves more and more.
Movies also make people very soft because they always learn to cheer for the weak/soft characters. And they learn that it's ok to be like that because the good guy always wins in the end, but that's a bit of a lie, isn't it ?
And since our society is (currently) the strong one ,, who do you think people hate and consider to be the villain ? -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 18, 2011 12:39 AM)
Well, you see peachie_keen ..
exactly what i was talking about, you hate your own society and think we got to be strong because we're some sort of cruel slave masters, not because we are more civilized and more organized and because we made our lives easier by innovating and inventing all sort of things.
And do you think that if other people got to be in our place, would we still exist today ? I believe that white people are the most empathic and least ruthless people there are on this world, and there is plenty of evidence for that. But still, you think that we're the bad guys and other people deserve to live more than we do.
Weak people always act pitiful, that's why you might not realize it. Just like dogs, when they're starving and have no home, they'll lick your hand and act like the cutest thing on earth, and if they're strong, they'll want nothing less than to rip your guts out.
"Why would we root for people who do that? Because they look like us?"
But that's how the world works , hyenas don't ally with lions, and lions don't ally with zebras. And im sure you are aware that everybody cares more about their family than for some random strangers.
And i like to cheer for the best, not for the 'right' one anyway. There is no such thing as right and wrong.
And i really don't like corporations, but i couldn't get myself to cheer for the na'vi either.
I actually think i'd have to be slightly mentally deranged to do that. -
e-mail9050 — 14 years ago(September 18, 2011 09:56 AM)
Very sad to hear that,, but oh well, that your opinion, im sure it's not as good as mine, but whatever..
Wait why is there a difference if today is 2011 or 500 bc ? people always have been the same haven't they ? At least they were born the same.
So i guess you must agree that something is causing this new mentality in people. Is it movies ?
By 'our society' i mean the western world, but i guess mostly white people are affected by this attitude as i was explaining earlier. (Because the villain is always a white guy, or maybe some evil corporation, controlled always by a white guy. And because i do think that white people are generally more empathic and so they tend to blame themselves for bad things a lot easier)
I don't remember you mentioning scientific advancement, you just made it sound like we're strong because we abuse others.
I didn't say that a group deserves to live more than others either. I said that this is what you think. Since we're the bad guys, we deserve to live less. Aren't the bad guys in movies always expendable ? Nobody cries when one is shot, in fact it makes for a nice happy ending.
YOU JUST THINK that you're not mixing movies with real live, but there is no way that you could avoid that, unless you're consciously trying to avoid it.
For example, If you accept in a movie that the bad guy is expendable, will you not be closer to accepting it in real life ? If you accept in a movie that corporations are bad because you see how they cut trees, will you not be closer to thinking the same thing in real life ?
Also, Casablanca is accepted as being one of the things that got americans to get involved in the european war. Or how about anti racist movies ?
This is also an accepted idea since people even make tops for anti racist movies. If someone accepts a friendship of the main white character with a black character, (plenty of movies like this) they become closer to accepting that idea in real life. Or maybe the movie is about interracial relationships, or about showing how racism and hate gets the main character to prison or dead.
Ofc they will never make a movie about how living in a black neighborhood can get you raped or killed, or how a kid in a classroom of black kids will get abused all the time, but whatever
Or maybe all the pro gay movies. It's a pretty obvious fact that gay people were considered to be disgusting by everybody, even kids, but now, nobody can have a good time on their expense anymore, so an obvious change in society, what caused it ? (Some kid was asking on yahoo answers what are some good pro gay movies to show at high-school, cause no good, proper learning experience can come without a little brainwashing)
And if people don't accept it directly, they will just become tired to fight it because of the overexposure.
So, i really don't know how you can say that movies dont influence people.
And when i meant weak, i even explained, (staving, no home) It meant both pshysically and mentally. It's in every social creature's nature to act weak when they are weak. That is in the hope of getting a friend and some help. But the same creature could just as easily be quite savage if it doesn't need friends anymore. Like dogs for example. Have you ever seen an injured dog to attack anybody ? How about nice strong pack of dogs ?
Oh sure, i can't wait for your response, it will give me much to think about, since i haven't properly though about it already, obviously. thanks.