So how did the original T3 timeline go?
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model101 — 10 years ago(June 29, 2015 09:15 PM)
This is simple. Kate was never part of the picture.
Only John was, John was in hiding before the war,Sarah knew the date of Judgement Day which was August 29/1997. Sarah in the original timeline lived up until the end of the war, she died shortly before Kyle went back in time. John kept Sarah away from Kyle on purpose until the time he was suppose to go back in time to protect Sarah, hence why Kyle never served under Connor until 3 years before he went back in time. Sarah was killed bringing supplies to the troops to fight the war. This is all from the novel of T2 based on James Cameron and William Wisher's first draft of Terminator 2. -
eg4190 — 10 years ago(June 29, 2015 09:30 PM)
Kate was definitely part of the picture otherwise how would the T-850 know that Kate Brewster/Connor would become John's wife and second-in-command, and ultimately reprogram the T-850 and send him back in time?
Great care was taken to make sure that John and Kate meet before the Terminators change anything about the timeline.
Also, there's that business about John and Kate hooking up ten years earlier, the day before Uncle Bob and the T-1000 came into town to wreak havoc on the timeline.
Kate was obviously invented for T3, so she wouldn't appear in any T2 materials. But if we include this movie in the canon, then we have to account for Kate. And it's not clear how she and John would have escaped to safety in a timeline where the T-X and T-850 didn't come to town. -
gabby_bm — 10 years ago(June 30, 2015 04:21 PM)
I keep T3 canon, but if I want to consider it yet another parallel timeline then I can imagine that Kate died in a cave-in while trying to dig out of Crystal Peak.
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Kunovega — 9 years ago(August 21, 2016 08:14 AM)
It doesn't hurt for T3 to be canon because:
If you also consider the TV series as canon then T3 is a timeline that gets skipped over. Sarah was saved, didn't die and both her and John get skipped ahead in time by the series
This way T3 remains canon as a timeline that would have happened but was prevented
This way you can dislike it and be relieved that it was prevented without disregarding it as canon
All of the terminator movies and tv series work as canon if you understand which parts of the story were prevented time lines and acknowledge that there's probably several alternate time lines we have yet to be shown -
Arvin-G-Borkar — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 10:25 PM)
If you think about it, it should all just be redone from the beginning. I mean James Cameron screwed it up in the 2nd one and even as Terminator 3 had a better grasp to say it was software (I would rather believe that than what Skynet was in the 2nd movie), I would want the whole series to be redone. It's a smoldering pile of mess now.
You have the first movie that pretty much kills a Terminator and allows Kyle Reese to bang Sarah, for John Connor to be born. Fine. Then you have the second movie where they actually try to stop Skynet. Little did they know this was just a postponement into terminator 3, which is fine; however, in my opinion the T-X should be in the second, not the third. Solid half solid half liquid to fully liquid would be a better progression and would show Skynet becoming more advanced in their model making. The 4th movie was just what? I do not even remember much of what happened in it and the focus was off. Gensys had a good plot line to link everything back to the first; however, the focus again was messed up. Too many timelines and not enough just linking one time line and making it the best it could possibly be.
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model101 — 9 years ago(June 19, 2016 09:01 PM)
Kate was definitely part of the picture otherwise how would the T-850 know that Kate Brewster/Connor would become John's wife and second-in-command, and ultimately reprogram the T-850 and send him back in time?
Great care was taken to make sure that John and Kate meet before the Terminators change anything about the timeline.
Also, there's that business about John and Kate hooking up ten years earlier, the day before Uncle Bob and the T-1000 came into town to wreak havoc on the timeline.
Kate was obviously invented for T3, so she wouldn't appear in any T2 materials. But if we include this movie in the canon, then we have to account for Kate. And it's not clear how she and John would have escaped to safety in a timeline where the T-X and T-850 didn't come to town.
No she wasn't.
The first 2 Terminator films FOLLOWED THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE. Nothing changed until they decided to take out Miles Dyson. It is made painfully clear in Terminator 1 that it is the original timeline. There is NO 1984 WITHOUT KYLE REESE OR THE T-800.
Just like there is NO TIMELINE without the T-1000 and the T-800 (Uncle Bob) in 1995. Both are INTENDED TO HAPPEN.
Maybe pay the hell attention to the first 2 films and you would get this. Both films hit you over the head with this info, yet dipsticks like you still don't get it.
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model101 — 9 years ago(June 19, 2016 09:02 PM)
I'm sympathetic to that viewpoint but why go to the T3 message board to voice it?
Because I HATE THIS FILM AND I AM TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SEE THAT T3 is BROKEN and shouldn't be counted as anything other than a crappy fan film. -
Kruleworld — 9 years ago(August 05, 2016 09:53 PM)
half solid half liquid to fully liquid would be a better progression
Don't forget time travel is involved. Skynet can send any robot to any time period. it probably DID send the T1000 to 1990 after the TX had gone through.
The 4th movie was just what?
was when Kyle met John
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Arvin-G-Borkar — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 01:26 PM)
Going off James Cameron's timeline, the future Skynet would not have been able to create the TX until years into the future. So the future Skynet's future was only enough to create the T-1000 (this and the fact that TX was probably made to somehow better the T-1000, under a different director and writer). I am not sure how many timelines there were; however, it would make sense if there was only one loop. The past, present, and future.
Purely based on my opinion, it would have seemed more progressive if the T-1000 was shown in T-3, rather than, in T2.
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