Film noir?
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nycruise-1 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 08:40 AM)
Have to agree with everyone else on this film: NOT "film noir."
I edited a book on the subject and the components of "film noir" are not present: a sexy woman who is not to be trusted, a damsel in distress (who might also not be trustworthy), a slightly shady guy who falls for her, plot twists and turns that reek of betrayal, a supporting cast of both comic and unsavory characters, etc.
The lighting has little to do with it, albeit such lighting is what came to distinguish "film noir."
Back then, when they were making movies, productions were described as a "musical," a "western," a "weeper" (women's picture), or - a "murder mystery." But no one ever set out to make a "film noir" movie - which is why that term is French, because French film critics thought it up after the fact.
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udippel — 9 years ago(May 02, 2016 01:18 PM)
No. But you are right, too. It could have become a film noir pretty easily, the plot could deliver that type as well. At least on the side of the early suspects, there was a huge potential with all the hidden connections, various agenda.
Also the narration doesn't actually help with the film noir. Plus too much of comedy.
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SealedCargo — 6 years ago(September 28, 2019 12:00 PM)
film noirs cover a lot of different variations and this is a police procedural and it VERY Noir
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JohnnyBoy — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 05:28 AM)
I have The Naked City in my list of best films noirs, meeting most of my criteria outlined.
https://thecineviewer.com/BestFilmsNoirs.html
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gorgsharpy — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 09:17 PM)
I don't know why really. It would just be De Palma, Lynch, Scorsese and Nolan.
Noir came from WW2 and the idea of post war noir is basically an absurd theory even if the Movie Brats found similarity in crime and corruption in the 60'ies and 70'ties US.
Noir today?
Well, Linklater tried with Hit Man but nobody understood it was noir, they thought it was a comedy.
Noir today would IMO require artists en masse able to expose and shake the self-reliant foundation of modern western culture. What we have become. One big middle class wishing for happiness. That's what Linklater opted for to show with his ending in school and university, but he, an impressionist, lacks the expressionism of noir.
Instead we get Östlund and Glazer playing it safe against the rich and the nazis.
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gorgsharpy — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 09:03 PM)
I think it is open for discussion if films like Casablanca and Citizen Kane and some of the others really are noir and even the criterias vary from critic to critic.
The male must IMO be weak, prone to the femme fatale or crime, sometimes seeking excitement outside the family "castration" environment. Structures of society sometimes corrupted. Maltese Falcon and perhaps rather Double Indemnity is sort of the model for me even if the male character is single.
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JohnnyBoy — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 10:17 PM)
I'm always surprised when people say Casablanca isn't noir when I'm like it got everything.
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MissMargoChanning — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 10:21 PM)
The Naked City is definitely noir !
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gorgsharpy — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 10:55 PM)
I want it to be.
Yeah he is weakened by a woman.
But was she really fatale …?
Bogey's way of sorting out his own true feelings for her and letting her go might be metanoir.
Waterloo Bridge, Gone With The Wind? Well, Scarlett was a femme fatale but I would rather call them melodramas. But maybe you are on to something … -
JohnnyBoy — 10 months ago(May 24, 2025 01:08 AM)
I actually thought Scarlett O'Hara was a femme fatale. I made a list.
https://thecineviewer.com/GreatestFemmesFatalesList.html
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JohnnyBoy — 10 months ago(May 25, 2025 01:50 AM)
Well it led to the most famous line of the movie: "Frankly, my dear. I don't give a damn."
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