What kind of sick people are you?!
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styxtshaw — 20 years ago(February 15, 2006 05:39 PM)
dear god all of you STFU. Movies and picutres can be interperated in both ways. The problem is for the people that don't take it in the artistic sense and take it as a turn-on ruin the word. Don't go after the people that don't understandgo after the freaks that abuse the system.
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natey147 — 16 years ago(January 11, 2010 09:45 AM)
None of the sex scenes in Pretty Baby feature Brooke Shields (although at the beginning, she does walk in on her mother with a client), however she is naked at certain stages.
As for 'Spielen wir Liebe': This movie is not much different to 'The Blue Lagoon', also starring an underage Brooke Shields. She was fifteen when she made that. Although the child nudity and theme made me uncomfortable, it does not match up to this filth. 'Spielen wir Liebe' is, frankly, 'legal-in-some-countries' (mainly those weird European ones) child porn, masquerading as 'art' or 'a touching portrait of adolescence', as I read in one review defending it. I watched the uncut DVD Saturday night, straight after 'The Blue Lagoon', and have felt queasy ever since (I only watched The Blue Lagoon and Pretty Baby out of dedication, 'cause I'm a Brooke Shields fan). Maybe I should have researched 'Spielen wir Liebe' here first. I never would have bought the DVD if I had. I thought I'd seen it all. The director should be put in jail.
And don't defend it as 'art' or 'a love story' because it's not. It's child exploitation of the highest level, and is sickening. Even David Hamilton would puke.
I constantly speak out against censorship here in the UK, but this is one movie I'm glad is banned. I will never watch it again. And quite how 'The Blue Lagoon' and Pretty Baby' are released uncut here is mystifying.
I hate censorship, but when it comes to children, I'm willing to make an exception.
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Hu_Tze_Hai — 19 years ago(November 04, 2006 01:12 PM)
You are obviously missing the point being brought up here. simulated or not, the sex scenes were made to obviously arouse the viewers!
Why do you think people protest against violent movies too?? No one's justifying that simulated violence are ok in movies
We all have our take on what's art or not, you keep calling the movie artistic also doesn't make it one as well. As I'm pretty sure the makers of the movie would view this as artistic as wellso to each his own right? no point for a debate whether it's art or not. As it is art as well as not art.
Legality has nothing to do with the movie, since it was obviously shown. You've always asked if they've (the actors of the movie) and protested they're dislike of the movie. Well base on the actors ages, I don't think they have the proper understanding of what they were doing back then and as for now, who knows? They probably didn't come out because they don't want to admit, or they are already well compensated to keep their mouths shut, or they have nothing to complain about.
But as the one who started this topic, HE has something to complain about. He didn't perceive the film as something artistic. And I agree with him, the film was obviously made with the 'simulated' underage sex scenes first in mind before coming up with a plot, script or anything else they need to add to call it a film - not just any film but to call it an artistic film to defend themselves on why they made it. We can all agree it's not a very good film, it's actually a very bad one. And all the film you've name dropped (i.e. pulp ficton, clockwork orange) are made with the storyline in mind first rather than the obscene scenes of sex and violence in mind, which made them controversial yet artistic.
Just my 2 cents on the topic. You guys have different valid points, there's no use debating over it as it an old film and i haven't see any followings to it (hope not)so chill
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jiffypack — 19 years ago(November 17, 2006 05:22 AM)
However, the first time the boy "takes" Lara Wendel, it is NOT a scene of teenagers having simulated "sex", or of "budding sexuality", it IS a scene of a 17 year old boy R*PING a 12 year old girl! Who, after he has been on top of her for awhile, stops fighting and gets a "look of contentment" on her face, ie: She start's to "Like it".
This is misleading and incorrect. this is what I was reffering to in my other post, you are combining three scenes into one.
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Dismenot — 19 years ago(November 19, 2006 09:04 AM)
Even if you are right and I remember the movie incorrectly,(and I'm not saying you are) why would you want to make such a big deal of such a small point? It's still kiddie porn no matter how you slice it, rape scene or not.
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jiffypack — 19 years ago(November 19, 2006 01:14 PM)
I see it as important to correct misleading information on these boards, if something is incorrect, it needs to be corrected, no matter what the subject is.
KP? or not KP? As in our other discussion that is just a matter of opinion until proven in court in various countries. And if the director and/or anyone else involved is still alive they can probably be prosecuted for it today (dependant on local laws). Now THAT would be interesting. And it goes in favour of it not being KP because if it was, the authorities in the countries where this was filmed/released would be compelled to prosecute those involved. The director for example is only 66 and still active. The cameraman 63 and still active in Germany. The lack of prosecutions if nothing else shows it is certainly not clear cut.
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Dismenot — 19 years ago(November 19, 2006 03:26 PM)
The lack of prosecutions if nothing else shows it is certainly not clear cut.
Not exactly, assuming it was legal to produce in the first place(it was) they cannot retroactively prosecute just because they changed the law.
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jiffypack — 19 years ago(November 20, 2006 01:51 AM)
You're claiming Italian & German law has changed since 1977 in this respect. Please back up your claim with references. Otherwise I'll have to assume you are again stating conjecture as though it were fact.
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Dismenot — 19 years ago(November 20, 2006 09:00 AM)
Feel free to assume anything you wish, I feel no need to prove anything to you.
If you wish to verify information that you read on a movie board, I suggest you consider the merit of a well known saying.
Google is your friend.
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Falconeer — 19 years ago(November 20, 2006 05:40 PM)
While this is a disturbing film, I must say that there is no rape scene in the movie, not even close. And I am speaking of the uncut edition that runs 91 min PAL. The character portrayed by Lara Wendel is with a boy that she feels love for, and she displays only the slightest hesitation in the beginning, as it is her 'first time.' If the girl had been raped I would have been sickened and turned it off, but rape is not what this film is about. I think it is a bit unfair to call this a film for pedophiles, as many of us are merely fans of bizarre and controversial 'cult' films, that have nothing to do with underage kids getting naked. Perhaps 'Maladolescenza' deserves the heavy criticism it gets on this board, but it is not accurate to suggest that it's fans are all pervs!