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Molerat123 — 20 years ago(April 14, 2005 07:00 AM)
Just a logical question that has probably come up b4where are the filmakers that made this?
If its illegal to WATCH this movie then how did they MAKE it?
"I really should stop getting my qoutes from fight club"
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galaqxus1987 — 10 years ago(April 18, 2015 11:56 PM)
Hmm jail, so what about 2 "Blue Lagoon" films with 14-15 yo girls
3-4 yo older but still not 18 like in US law
Super logical US law driving licence - 15-16yo, voting,sex - 18yo, cigarettes,alcohol - mostly 21! WTF F.ck logic
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aotearoa_2006 — 20 years ago(October 07, 2005 07:48 AM)
To answer your question of "how" the movie was made, the simple answer is that it was a European collaboration. This movie would NEVER be made in the States - the slightly pseudo-prudes have made certain of that. The two girls (Eva Ionesco and Lara Wendell) have several scenes of full-frontal nudity which in itself isn't illegal. It's just the suggested sex scenes that are the issue. Neither of these two girls really look 12 years old, but that really doesn't matter to the censors. In 1977 when this movie was made, there were fewer regulations regarding the activities of youth in films, and most European individuals spend a good bit of their youth naked on a beach somewhere. You don't see that in the States, and I doubt that most Americans would understand that the mere sight of a naked child is not in itself erotic or sexual. The majority of the world population doesn't really care, and that is how it should be - go after the real child pornographers not the artists like Sally Mann, Jock Sturges and David Hamilton - all of whom understand that there is an inherent sexuality in all of us, but not for exploitation purposes. Besides, many 12 year olds are now sexually active (something that wasn't really the case in 1977).
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teawoman_2000 — 14 years ago(June 30, 2011 03:14 PM)
I doubt very much that Eva Ionesco is proud of this film today. She was basically sold by her mother to participate in elaborate erotica from a very young age (would you believe it if I said 4?), and no, filming children having sex doesn't seem very acceptable to me. I don't care how good the story is.
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hand-eti — 14 years ago(January 16, 2012 04:42 AM)
The movie was banned almost immediately in most European countries. I have seen it just because I wanted to know what all the controversy was about - and I pretty much agree with the banning. I think the movie is a pure excuse to wathc very young children having sex, and I cannot imagine that the child actors felt comfortable making this movie.
I would still not classify it as child porn because as far as I can tell the actors did not really have sex, but having child actors perform this kind of scenes is still way beyond what I think can be tolerated.
And I am not talking about the full frontal nudity, I am talking about all the scenes suggesting rape and intercourse in a very un-subtle manner. -
widescreenguy — 20 years ago(June 23, 2005 09:41 AM)
the american legal system truly is very bizarre.
their prisons are crammed full and the costs of maintaining them cut into the budgets of the states at the expense of, typically, such things as infrastructure, social programs and education.
chocked full of , for example from the show '60 minutes', a young man serving 15 years for . . . shoplifting. thats because of the appallingly absurd 3 strikes law. they are also full to the brim with people busted for pot possession. despite the fact that the hemp plant has been around since the days of the caveman and unlike alcohol which causes MILLIONS of bar fights every year and death on the roads, pot makes you mellow out and look for something to eat.
here in Canada it is LEGAL to smoke pot for medical reasons.
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princegriever — 18 years ago(May 29, 2007 02:43 PM)
If you're stupid enough to try theft 3 times and get caught, then you deserve to be sent to jail for 15 years.
Saying that the system is too harsh for the crime is like saying that for fooling around with a gun around your friends, and one of your friends getting killed is too harsh. Having fun with weapons isn't anything unheard of here in america, though most of the times it's illegal, and your friend died. You shouldn't have done it, but you did, and now you have to pay.
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kalvinharp — 18 years ago(May 31, 2007 02:32 PM)
read the posts. It is legal. After having talked to police officers and FBI agents, I can assure you that it is legal. Remember that nudity does not equal pornography. I own a copy, and reccomend it to family and friends becuase, for one the scenery is breath taking, and two it is a great exploration into the mind of a preteen or a teenager. Being a sociologist, this movie sparks my interest in (1) trying to understand my own painful experiences of when i was that age, and, (2) explaining why children and young adults act the way they do
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SherlockVonEinstein — 14 years ago(September 18, 2011 01:12 AM)
America does not have a 3 strikes law. Only a handful of states (the only one I know of off the top of my head is California) has a 3 strikes law. The vast majority of states do not have any such laws, because they are in fact silly.
And the reason laws like that exist is not because citizens of those states have a "warped sense of right and wrong." It's because those states have privitized their prisons. In other words, the owners of those prisons get paid for housing prisoners. Therefore, the longer someone's in prison, the more money a businessman makes.
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jbaker1-2 — 12 months ago(April 04, 2025 12:21 AM)
Unfortunately, religion still has far too much influence on our legal system. Things that shouldn't by any stretch of the imagination be considered crimes are illegal because Bible-thumping assholes in positions of authority find them offensive.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
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chadbb6 — 20 years ago(June 27, 2005 08:51 AM)
Why in the world is it so hard to get a no or yes answer on this movie? You can research any data you want and still come up short if you are "not" a lawyer" and then be wrong.
Why is it anymore difficult than a traffic violation to state "This movie is NOT legal to own in the USA" or a "Stop sign" demands you to stop or you break the law? "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" if one goes before any judge on a matter of where you did not know.
Can there not be a data base for illegal movies by name aka's etc? I am only concerned for the simple reason that too many good people go to jail over stupidity of not being aware and that is a shame, what would be so difficult for our law makers to put important jail time giving laws into plain English so you do not have to graduate law school to understand those laws? Of course it is too difficult, take you tax forms you fill out or should fill out, are they EZ, no! One poster stated "Kids" is worse than Maladolescenza and I am sure he is correct but not one post have I read about Kids is if it is legal or not but could be, hey I simply do not know.
I have seen parts of the movie and agree with Marcus 100% on "kids". Why is there not a plain and simple solution to this movie problem? There are so many crimes in this area it appears the law makers would want every single American to be aware of any movie that had anything to do with underage actors that would be illegal to view/own or sale this would help stop the spread of any such movie I would think.
Yes I buy many movies as a very serious collector of many foreign films and but if I have to sit and worry every time I buy one that I could do 5 to 40 then it is time someone makes it damn clear which movie/s are not to be owned in the USA. Not one of you do not know if you rob a bank your butt is mud and you could tell me by what agency, or maybe go on a hot check cashing spree across 3 State lines, you know what you have to deal with and most likely from all 3 States, also you would know when you started the spree what to expect if caught.
It simply is not right to be so damn shady about an issue as important as this. I would not buy "Kids" in hopes of it becoming priceless someday just because there is no true answer or real data from our Government who gives you 5 to 40 if that movie is not legal to own/view, sure many sell the movie but remember ignorance of any law is none excusable, another way of saying sorry but you are screwed unless you have big bucks.
90% of the USA citizens cannot tell you the meaning of any given law to any extent that they would bet their home and job on it, you must be a lawyer/attorney with the tools of research at your disposal to understand many laws, butttttt,,,not laws our Government wants you to understand clearly like paying your Federal Income taxes, we understand very clearly sex with a underage person is 100% against the law no matter the reason or excuse, run a stop sign, it is against the law and that is EZ to understand!
But hells bells owning a movie if you are NOT a underage convicted sex offender that is this controversial over the content is simply super screaming ridiculous, if there were sexual intercourse simulated or real intercourse then it is suppose to be illegal you and I understand that or maybe understand that,, but hey I eat at Mcdonalds every once in a while and kids make out in the parking lots, inside at times some what, sell drugs and simulate every Friday and Saturday nights and you as a person would have to be blind not to see it, what do I do? Stay home, never stop at Mcdonalds or Jack in the Box because of a few wild running harmonizes? Am I going to get jail time over this live simulated sex? Where does it end? I am sorry but I get so upset at our laws sometime and I love the good old USA, but folks is it not time to become real and demand of our law makers to supply a statement of a law we as the people can understand clearly on many legal issues, one other being my frigging income tax forms?
Clearly we must have good laws and we do, many very good but some simply suck. "I never had sex with that woman" and got clean away with it, see that is what I am trying to say, sex is what or not (clear huh?, if a underage person grabs you and does a Monica on your person and you did not want to hit that underage person so not to break yet another law "DID you have sex or NOT? Clearly they (our high court) for Mr. beep did not think it was sex, so is this mixed signals or can we all have oral stimulation without calling it sex? My wife can clarify it for me if you need to ask!
Viewing a movie commercially made either by another Country or not if it is illegal we the people should know without paying $2000 to a lawyer before we purchase such a movie so we would not spend 5 to 40 years, is this reasonable?, but again "ignorance" is no excuse and "I did smoke but I did not inhale" nor "I did not have sex with that woman" will not wash "IF" you are not "R