you can claim that the show is bad. but if your gonna use the "woke" argument
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UMAD — 1 year ago(July 29, 2024 03:45 PM)
on every damm series like alt-right braindead grifters do on youtube, then i'm not gonna take you seriously.
watching season 1 now, and i can see why people call it "woke" it has some commentery about sexual harresment, however, with that being said. there is nothing really "woke" about it…. like, i can see why people say its woke but its just a commentery of a very common act that exist in real life. and thats it.
so.. again. i dont think this show is even woke to begin with. i agree with "woke" only when we are talking about movies who are radical like barbie. but then again. barbie suppose to be a silly comedy.
again. dont see what is woke here. you have 2 white lead protaganists that the show is pretty much all about them (butcher and the nerdy guy) then you have a sidekick who is also white (frenchie) and only then you have a sidekik who is a black character and the asian woman.
when we are talking about radically woke shows, they are what they are because there is not a single white man there which this show is NOT. so again… woke? why? because the french guy is gay? lol. yeah right….. -
DallasDeckard — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 10:28 AM)
I'm not going to make a case whether this show is woke, because I haven't seen it.
That being said, you are missing the point on what makes a show "woke". It is NOT about how many minority actors/characters the show has. A show can have ONLY minority actors/characters in it and not be woke. The first Black Panther movie features mostly Black characters/actors and is not woke.
Wokeness is about things like virtue signaling, propping up woke ideology, like the patriarchy, white people are bad, all men (except LGBTQ men) possess toxic masculinity, men are inherently stupid, women are all smarter, stronger, and better than all men, the idea that there are multiple genders, etc. Basically, all cancel culture, social justice warrior crap.
Examples are Rey in the last three Disney Star Wars movies. You have a Mary Jane character who has never had a day of Jedi training that manages to pick up a light saber and defeat a powerful Sith lord who has been training for many years and wields the force with great power. She exhibited powers (like force-healing) that no other Jedi had ever even possessed, even the most powerful Skywalker family members like Luke and his father, Anakin (Darth Vader). Woke advocates accused people who found Rey a stupid character of being misogynistic and disliking strong, female characters. They conveniently ignored the fact that the very same people that disliked Rey loved Leia, who was an intelligent, tough, strong and competent woman and the leader of the resistance (all others operate on her command; see The Empire Strikes Back where she gives all the orders and everyone defers to her leadership).
Wokeism includes pandering to identity politics like changing the race of an established character without any other changes to the content that would make that change meaningful and robust. For example, the live action version of The Little Mermaid where they changed the character of Ariel from a while girl to a black girl with no other meaningful changes related to her race that might justify that change. They just substituted the race of that character to virtue signal and pretend this constituted meaningful "change". All it did is make a lot of fans of the original angry because they once again made meaningless changes to a beloved IP.
This is similar to the travesty of the yet unreleased live action Snow White movie. They've changed the race of the princess and completely abandoned the original plot and storyline, replacing it with some story about the princess becoming a powerful leader. Now, while that might make for an interesting, original story it is nothing like the original IP, the original Snow White movie which so many people love. It bears no resemblance to the original movie which they are supposed to be using to make this movie and the very reason people who love the original movie would want to see it!
There are plenty of great movies made over the years, especially the past 20 years that feature strong, intelligent women. Why butcher the Snow White character and story? There is nothing original about hijacking the Snow White character and story to make a movie about a strong, capable, female leader. We've seen this done in the original movie from Disney called Frozen and it was wonderful. If they want to make more movies like this, great! Make a bunch! But, don't destroy the character and story of Snow White so you can pretend it's important and meaningful when it's just using the Snow White title to pull in those that love the original movie to tell a completely different story about a completely different character. It's woke nonsense and insulting to all those that love the original movie.
In fact, they don't need to remake Snow White at all. Leave it alone. It was made in a different time, by people that are now dead, when people had different values and different motivations and it's fine as it is: a beautiful, time capsule movie of a different age. The insufferable actress that is playing the live action version of Snow White said the original is "weird" and features a prince that is a "stalker". Okay, if you think that then MAKE AN ORIGINAL MOVIE, don't pretend you're making a live action version of the original Snow White movie and then substitute it with a whole different movie. It's a cash grab, while trying to pretend the makers are courageous for the stupid changes that have no real meaning. It's a virtue signaling nightmare.
I think you need to do a little research as to what woke-ism is before you decry the people who find it repulsive and stupid. Conflating it with the number of characters of color is just wrong and is yet another way that people falsely accuse those that hate woke-ism as racists, and misogynists and on and on.
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