Who's Name's Will Jim Kelly Not Disclose?
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victorsuk — 10 years ago(September 28, 2015 03:31 PM)
It's called humbleness<<
Is their even any evidence he thought this? All ive heard is that someone has implied Lee thought this. I can give you testimonies of people saying bruce lee thought he could beat anyone as well. -
Discobiscuit88 — 9 years ago(June 16, 2016 11:13 AM)
Beating someone in an "official" fight doesn't make one better than another. Matt Serra was not better than GSP. Buster Douglas was not better than Tyson. Joe Frazier was not better than Ali.
It doesn't matter whether you don't personally think Bruce Lee's unofficial credits and legacy are legit. It doesn't matter that you personally need video and photograhic evidence to legitimize the claims of all the people who knew and interacted with Bruce Lee in his lifetime. It doesn't matter that you don't count his list of pupils as proof towards his skill and talent. It basically doesn't matter what you do or don't think of Bruce Lee, because the fact will always remain that he was one of the greatest martial artists of all time with or without enough video footage to obtain your blessing. -
wantutosigh — 9 years ago(September 15, 2016 03:22 PM)
Here are my thoughts. I think there are a lot of friends of Bruce Lee who trained with him who are inclined to keep his legend alive. I think they have a ton of respect for him and thought he was a terrific martial artist and they are inclined to mostly talk of his prowess and say positive things.
To act like he has never been "bested" himself in all of these friendly sparring and training sessions is silly. Not to mention, being great in sparring sessions doesn't necessarily equal being a great fighter.
Being a true martial artist like Bruce Lee was, he not only trained with all these fighters and martial artists as a teacher but he was also training with them to learn. That's what being a complete martial artist is all about, learning as much as you can.
Chuck Norris said himself when he first met Bruce Lee he didn't believe in kicks above the waste. But Norris's philosophy was if the kick is there then you should go for it. Not long after they trained together Bruce Lee started incorporating more head kicks into his art.
And you have to know when Lee trained with Gene Lebell and they worked on grappling, Lee must have gotten tossed around and chocked out tons of times. There is no shame in this. That's how you learn. You have to go through these steps to get better. Bruce Lee was only 32 when he died, trust me, he still had plenty left to learn as a martial artist.
So the mentioning of him "besting champions" is most likely them speaking to moments in training/sparring where he got the upper hand. I'm sure his partners had plenty of moments where they "bested" Lee as well. That's just logic.
RIP Bob Probert -
victorsuk — 9 years ago(October 13, 2016 04:07 PM)
I think anyone would have serious doubts about champs besting Lee in sparring or we'd sure know about it. Lee took sparring seriously and didn't mess about. I heard he was really rough and tough in sparring and onlookers would sometimes tell him to take it easier on opponents.
These sparring sessions were basically opportunities to find out you wasn't at lees level. Lee would hurt these champs in sparring, Lee didn't mess about. So the champs would have tried hurt Bruce in return. From my understanding they couldn't do much too bruce. I'm sure when Lee hit them they were thinking I'm a champion this shouldn't be happening. They would have really tried take Lee out, and Lee wouldn't have had it any other way as he was into realism and what Lee was doing was a real wake up call to them
Lee not being a champion in a sport would have something to prove to these champs he encountered. It woiukd be important to Bruce that they knew he was better. That he had much to offer even if he didn't have trophies.
If they bested Lee in sparring then I wouldn't know what all the fuss about Bruce would be? But nobody bested Lee in sparring. He was awesome by all accounts. Because he was awesome people are intrigued as to how he'd do in competion, thinking he would do extremely well of course -
WandererFromYs — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 11:34 AM)
I'm not even sure why people would question this. In the mid 90's UFC came along and showed the entire world just how incomplete all the Martial arts were. The one guy that knew this, and had been saying it over 20 years prior was Bruce Lee. It seems pretty obvious that the guy that trains to actually fight would be able to beat the best point fighters of that era. Those guys were competing within a strict set of boundries, while Bruce was trying to break the mold a bit more.
I think people really take offense to him being this untouchable godlike fighter, and he really wasn't, he was way ahead of his time.