Nolan should be ashamed of himself.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 05:03 PM)
He doesn't actually believe it. I don't know how anyone possibly could.
His problem is that hes a perfect storm of passion and low IQ, and he's so closely associated himself with TDK trilogy, that he can't bare to accept some simple truths. He's all in. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 02:16 PM)
OK then, tell me what is so deep and thought provoking about LOTR??? Does it have good special effects? Yes it does. Is the acting decent? Yes it is. Does it have any intelligent underlying theme or message? Not at all.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 07:50 PM)
OK then, tell me what is so deep and thought provoking about LOTR??? Does it have good special effects? Yes it does. Is the acting decent? Yes it is. Does it have any intelligent underlying theme or message? Not at all.
AGAINwhat would be the point of me wasting my time? I could post pages upon pages to you, and for what? Just so you can dissect it by injecting your negative opinion onto all of it?
Would be as pointless as you telling me again all of the reasons that you think TDKR is intelligent.
Also, what the hell does intelligence have to do with entertainment? Just look at the entire package of films that you have ranked 10. How many actual intelligent films do you find in there?? -
justanicknamed — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 07:05 PM)
My wife watched the first LOTR but was just 'meh' about it.
That was more than how she was with TDK trilogy - because she wouldn't even watch it. She'd seen the first four movies and was like, "Ugh. They made more?"
IMO, TLOTR appeals to more people since more people have read those stories than have read Batman comic books for any length of time. TLOTR books are on reading lists in lots of schools and count towards student's Advanced Reading goals. Batman comics? Not so much. -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:37 PM)
I can't believe you are too dumb to figure this out. The only reason I say the things I say is because I am trying to show you how incredibly frustrating it is trying to have an intelligent discussion with you.
Wow. All new levels of pathetic for you. You realize that you popped onto someone else's thread and responded to them, right?? You weren't addressing me, and you're supposibly using cryptic messages to try to troll me?? Is that all this is?? The crap about box office and IMDB rating wasn't your thoughtful response to the OP, but just an attempt to hopefully get my attention? Good lordno I will not make out with you.
One minute you say that the academy dictates what films are better than others yet when the academy isn't aligned with your opinion all of a sudden it doesn't matter.
Ugh. Amazing that you STILL don't get this, and all you can do is twist my words. I knowI knowyou've got the biggest hard on for the Academy because they didn't like TDKR. Just DEAL WITH IT. They didn't like it. They're not the end all be all. You're still afforded your opinion. I don't know what you want from me?? To apologize that TDKR didn't grip their attention like LOTR did??
but to say that "Nolan should be ashamed of himself" is complete nonsense because his Batman trilogy is regarded as one of the greatest trilogies ever and it made the studio over 2 billion dollars. Clearly plenty of people enjoyed it.
SO WHAT!! It's just one dudes opinion. He thinks Nolan should be embarrassed. He's allowed an opinion same as you. It's certainly no less ridiculously than the insanity you post all over IMDB.
LOTR is "universally loved"??? You'd think it would have won every single award and would have 100% on IMDB, RT and MC??? Clearly some people find flaws in it.
And here we go again. You don't have a true argument, so you need to twist my words to find one. "LOTR is more universally loved and respected than TDKR". That's to say that they're actually both universally loved and respected, but just that LOTR is MORE. That's callec reading comprehension, it's your friend.
Secondly, even if I was to say that LOTR is universally loved (which you do get is a different statement altogether, right??), would that be all that far off?? Show me a film series that would be more qualifying of that statement.
By the way how do you justify the 7 endings yet they cut out Saruman's death scene for time??? Was that not the biggest slap in the face to the audience ever? I'm not deflecting I am seriously curious as to your opinion on this.
And what a futile effort that would be. You've got your opinion. Nothing will change it. I could post my own take, and if it didn't line with yours, you'd sh\t all over it, trying to prove that your subjective opinion is right and mine is wrong. I'll save us both a lot of time here and just move on.
LOTR was big sh!t when it first came out but chances are it will fade into oblivion as it is really nothing more than a good movie to watch when you want to turn your brain off and have a little fun much like POTC and the Star Wars prequels. TDK however is really something special, it was better written, better acted, had the better story and is all around more intelligent.
Seems to be holding up just fine to me. Still has a better metascore, IMDB score, and RT score than your cumilitive TDK trilogy.
More intelligent?? More intelligent than the entire world that Tolkien created?? He wrote entire new languages. These weren't just guttural sounds and gibberish. He actually created language out of nothing and it all works. He created millennials of history. His characters family trees were complete even over thousands of years. He built a world out of nothing, created maps, drew boundary lines between countries.
What did TDK trilogy do?? Use some heavy handed symbolism and con inved you how brilliant it is?? "Ohhhh my. The Dark Knight RISES!! Look at that everybody. Bruce was at his lowest, and he has to rise. OMG LOOKhe actually rises out of the pit too. Brilliant!!" F/cking idiot.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 04:54 PM)
So if I posted a thread that said "Peter Jackson should be ashamed of himself" (For ROTK) or "Steven Spielberg should be ashamed of himself" (for Last Crusade) would you defend me with the same passion that you are defending the OP? I highly doubt it you two faced hypocrite bitch.
I couldn't care less what the academy thinks, they don't dictate the opinions of billions of people, I know you think they do but they don't. Just because the academy liked a movie that in no way proves that it is somehow superior to another film. I know you believe this because you gave Platoon and Titanic horrible ratings and I would really be surprised if you preferred Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan or Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction. Get the f-ck over it, the academy has gotten it wrong on countless occasions.
Saying Nolan should be ashamed is an idiotic comment, I know you don't like his films but they were very successful and got overwhelming praise from film critics, Deal with it bitch.
Show me a film series that would be more qualifying of that statement.
Star Wars and The Godfather. TDK would have better reviews if more people understood it. The series can't be universally acclaimed if some people don't like it and your own sources prove that some people don't like it.
So you aren't going to answer the question about Saruman's death, I'm just curious, were you let down at all that one of the greatest villains ever wasn't even given a proper sendoff??? They actually filmed a death scene that was pretty decent and it was cut for time!!! All they had to do was cut one of the bajillion endings or Arwen's stupid subplot.
There is nothing intelligent about the world that Tolkein created and either way we are not debating the books we are debating the movies. The LOTR books were 10X better than the movies. There is no underlying theme or symbolism in LOTR, its just a fun fantasy adventure about having to throw a piece of jewelry in a volcano. TDK is a complex, character driven story filled with symbolism. You keep picking up on something new every time you watch it and that is what I love about it. LOTR you get everything there is to get the first time you watch it, it doesn't reward the viewer with repeated viewings. Plus the action sequences in TDK are far more believable, LOTR's battle sequences were completely over the top and unrealistic. That doesn't make them bad, I actually loved the Battle of Helms Deep (Minas Tirith on the other hand was a massive let down).
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 03, 2015 03:13 PM)
spencer if you are actually trying to have a serious conversation with Wallace you are wasting your time, he saw the movie once, didn't understand it and now he is on a never-ending menstrual cycle where all he does is bitch and moan about it. Whether you like the movie or not Nolan did create quite possibly the greatest trilogy ever and has NOTHING to be ashamed of.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 12:34 PM)
So.everyone should just love TDKR and move on??
Come on man. There are those who have a negative opinion of the film. The least you can do is not lump yourself anywhere close to someone like Hippo Boy and act like the only way anyone has a working brain is if they like the movie.
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WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 12:58 PM)
They don't have to answer to you. If they don't like it, what do you care?? Why do they need to provide a reason that you agree with??
It's not like anyone is demanding that you explain why you like it, disagreeing with you, and then condescending to you as if you're some type of half wit knuckle dragger. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 02:18 PM)
What good would it do? I have spoon fed to you on countless occasions what makes TDKR great and you just don't want to hear it. If you didn't understand it the first time around then it must be a horrible film.
"I really wish Gia and Claire had became Tanner" - Honeybeefine -
WallaceHasLanded — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 07:47 PM)
What good would it do? I have spoon fed to you on countless occasions what makes TDKR great and you just don't want to hear it
Im very familiar with your OPINION. You've posted it on countless times and proclaimed it as honest to goodness FACT. I have zero interest in being spoon fed your opinion. You're free to it, but Im not interested.