Wallace I'll ask this again: If I were to post a thread that said "Peter Jackson should be ashamed of himself" (for ROTK
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DarkKnight4141 — 9 years ago(May 04, 2016 08:28 PM)
I like Nolan, and I love TDKR. But I find Inception to be sort of overrated. It's clever, but not a great watch IMO. And Following eh. Memento is amazing and Prestige is great though. My favorite TDK however.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(July 23, 2016 06:48 AM)
Indeed he should. Nolanites also seem to forget that the script was part written by one of modern movies most notorious hacks, to boot!
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McFly_2015 — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 07:47 AM)
I dont know if you meant David Goyer but either way you have to question the claims Nolan is a genius if he continues to work with Goyer after all the trash Goyer has churned out. Hes even been denounced by Stan Lee and Stan Lee rarely criticizes everyone.
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yvonneshusband — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 09:17 AM)
I did indeed mean Goyer. That even Stan Lee sees him for the talent vacuum he truly is speaks volumes. I also understand that Neil Gaiman had him thrown off 'Sandman'.
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McFly_2015 — 9 years ago(July 25, 2016 11:56 AM)
Good were on the same page then. Goyers defenders may point out that he was attached to Blade and the dark knight trilogy but hes never had success as a lead writer. Stan Lee ripped him a new one when he suggested the only reason the she hulk was created was to be a sexual made for the Hulk, Lee basically saying that thought never crossed his mind and anyone who would suggest that has mental issues. Need I remind you that the Hulk and she hulk are FIRST COUSINS.
Youll note that the only marvel films goyer has touched are the rare ones without Stan Lees involvement; the david Hasselhoff Nick Fury movie, the blade and ghost rider films. The third blade film goyer also produced and directed. First off it was awful but secondly just about everyone involved including the two stars heavily criticized Goyer (no surprise Goyer blames everyone else but himself).
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generationofswine — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 03:56 PM)
I was reading through this and saw the post about the conservatives loving this because it appealed to their politics
And the two people that keep defending it the most call the Occupy movement terrorist and can only seem to list box office gross as their reason why its good.
No one here is mentioning how Bale made a lousy Bruce Wayne. He played him from the start as Batman pretending to be Bruce Wayne and because of that he was never able to find his footing as either. It made Batman seem like a caricature of himself with little depth.
That sort of hurt the series.
That only gets worse as it goes along. Redeemed, in a large part by Ledger in the second film, who is really the one most memorable thing about them.
By the time they get to TDKR all attempt at character and plot have been abandoned along with acting. It is a hollow movie that weighted everything on the reputation that Ledger gave to the series in order to carry through the last installment.
TDK was great, but great based on one man's performance, it created fans that wouldn't budge no matter how bad it was.
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datrd — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 04:23 AM)
You're effectively correct for the most part, but I just have the following difference of opinion:
TDK was great, but great based on one man's performance, it created fans that wouldn't budge no matter how bad it was.
I thought the film (TDK) was great for numerous reasons, not just Ledger's performance. It had extremely solid directing, very decent script, great support performances, excellent music, intelligent use of special effects in all these areas, TDKR flat out FAILS. -
NomadNomadovic — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 03:14 AM)
No one here is mentioning how Bale made a lousy Bruce Wayne. He played him from the start as Batman pretending to be Bruce Wayne and because of that he was never able to find his footing as either. It made Batman seem like a caricature of himself with little depth.
Completely agree, I liked Val as Batman, Keaton was amazing, Bale is far too aggressive, he can play a villain, seems like he has some anger issues.
Bane and Joker were really good and Bruce wasnt even a character it was like some insane Batman. Problem with Nolan is exposition and pointlessly complex narrative, no wonder he got bogged down and produced this crap. -
FMT — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 11:03 PM)
That's an impeccable description of Michael Keaton, Bale not so much.
Defense through uncalled for comparisons that have nothing to do with it, your specialty. But you know what? I agree, unlike Keaton's Bale's version of the character never seemed to have Batman as his dominant identity, which actually discredits Rachel's comments during the end of BB. In this trilogy Batman was always a character that Bruce Wayne had created, a mask, persona he had to put on, going as far as doing a voice, and one he grew tired of quickly, one that served its purpose and then disappeared, nothing more than a phase, which I guess is why so many dislike Nolan's take on the character. Keaton's, on the other hand, only genuinely felt like himself as Batman, Bruce Wayne was indeed the mask, one he never felt that comfortable in, which I feel is much more appropriate, but to each his own. -
spencermalley935 — 9 years ago(December 24, 2016 09:08 AM)
discredits Rachel's comments during the end of BB.
You conveniently left out the end-quote which is "Once Gotham no longer needs Batman, Maybe I'll see that kid again" which ultimately did come to pass.
Bruce Wayne is Batman because he's obligated to be, not because he actually likes prowling the streets brutalizing petty thugs. His desire to stop in The Dark Knight had absolutely nothing to do with him being "tired of it", he simply saw Harvey Dent as a better way of cleaning up Gotham city, a sentiment that Harvey reciprocated as shown by his dinner speech to Bruce and Rachel.
Bruce Wayne was indeed the mask, one he never felt that comfortable in,
There was an entire comic arc that discredited the whole "Bruce Wayne is just a mask" idea by actually having Batman abandon the identity of Bruce Wayne entirely so he could be Batman 24/7 and treating this idea as mistake that everyone in his social circle took issue with.
which I feel is much more appropriate,
He also had no issue with killing criminals which is inappropriate.