How mesmerizing eyes really work
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michaelohman — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 11:59 PM)
A little bit psychology when trying to look confident
;- When you look into the eyes of another person and wanting to look confident you shouldn't dart between the two. Just fix one eye, preferably the left (which will be the right for you).
- Do not constantly move your cheek sideways as you speak. It looks like you're chewing your own words.
- Do not move your head sideways back and forth. Your neck is your backbone!
- Do not breathe heavily.
- Do not juxtaposition your extremities anywhere.
- You may move your body as long as not against earlier rules, which will be difficult, so better move easy or not at all.
- Do not use your legs to move forward when you try to implicate something, it reflexes into your eyes so they will widen and you will blink, like you aren't ready.
- Do not move your breast forward either. It doesn't imply mass. Rather the other way around.
And if you're ready to stare into another's eyes never blink!
Watch
Tom Ellis
gaze throughout the series. Whenever he looks straight into someones eyes or onto something specific, he seldom fails. It's a focking death-stare! A distinct gaze, which is very difficult to attain.
He's got a little, very fine stroke of mascara, but not enough so you can see it in full light when he's in profile and looking away.
But also look how he moves when in camera. He has help from the camera, but when he stretches for something which happens on occasion, it's a theatrical move where he leans and never lingers off much from where his feet were. He seldom takes a step without reason.
The actor playing Lucifer measures up even on a bad day. But the new-fed "mother-or-what", or most all of the other actors in the crew have a lot to learn if they wanna pretend devilish. -
barbarawstuller — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 08:39 AM)
He did go to drama school in Scotland, so that sounds like something he would have learned there. I'm not sure of the other actors' training, but that could be part of the difference you've noticed. Also he is a damn fine actor in general.
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centrd — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 09:09 AM)
He studied Noel Coward pretty intensively in drama school. And he's definitely using some of what he learned since Noel had a flamboyant, effeminate and affected public persona. Tom's says his Lucifer would be the love child of Noel Coward & Mick Jagger. He also cites Oscar Wilde as an influence.
Tom's an excellent actor and he's really getting to show it in this role. In the UK, he was cast a lot as the handsome love interest where he didn't get to show his range as much. So I'm sure he's enjoying this role as much as his fans are.
The UK takes acting pretty seriously. Tom went to school with a couple of famous actors, James McAvoy and Sam Heughan (Outlander). No wonder they're getting so many lead roles in US productions when they have such rigorous training. Not many places in the US have those kinds of programs. NYU and UCSD are the two top programs. NYU's is a very exclusive and small class. I'm familiar with UCSD's program and it's nothing like the training received in the UK.
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LeilaniKailani808 — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 11:15 AM)
That's pretty cool! Thank you for sharing your psychology knowledge and what an accurate description of how Tom Ellis behaves and acts on (Lucifer's) set! He does radiate confidence and I think a lot of us can learn a thing or two from him. I also really enjoyed reading your post, please feel free to add some more observations as the series progresses!!
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michaelohman — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 08:32 PM)
I think you should add some yourself, and you're welcome! There are more nuances I didn't mention, but it was enough for some time on my behalf.
As mentioned by others there's a cultural difference. Brits have thicker skin, working harder through their degrees, while most American actors seem discovered as naturals, getting a cream delight and thereby misses a lot of the training. Now that's not necessarily bad. It just stands out a little when comparing. -
michaelohman — 9 years ago(October 08, 2016 09:54 PM)
Alright. Someone asked me to explain the
why
and
how
it works on my statements above. I was intentionally short, and I'll give the extended analysis here:- When you look into the eyes of another person and wanting to look confident you shouldn't dart between the two. Just fix one eye, preferably the left (which will be the right for you).
Every move you make, no matter how small, is by the human brain of an opponent always considered a possible aggressive reaction. A brain through its ocular extension sees these moves extremely accurately, but most people have learnt to suppress them as not dangerous.
Your brain actually understands small nuances that you, or most of us have lost some of our comprehension to.
Fixing one eye is an old trick because any movement of your eyes, no matter how they go, signals "warning" to other people.
The choice of the left eye has been debated, but there are some scientific evidence that the left eye is coupled to the right side of your brain, and therefor this is where you should be working if you want to make a lasting impression. - Do not constantly move your cheek sideways as you speak. It looks like you're chewing your own words.
This can be very well explained for you if you let someone film you with a camera at pretty close proximity without you knowing it.
The nether part of the face has a number of muscles, and twitches when co-working gives variations of hundreds of mimics. Usually they follow our thought-patterns and are used to amplify our thoughts. Some of those expressions are pretty hilarious, but most of them are very subtle. In general they often explain more of your intentions than what is needed if you'd like to convince anyone of your idea.
So, what's said here is that you might consider learning how to keep this part of your face in check. Mostly one need experts for that, but a mirror can do some help. - Do not move your head sideways back and forth. Your neck is your backbone!
This is pretty simple. Watch anybody you know and check how often they move their head sideways. Now compare it to the people you think you have the most utter confidence in, and you'll probably find a very precise cure for non-confidence.
This is also one of the most commonly known tricks in the book because it's so stupidly efficient.
So, while talking, do not move your head sideways or away: The primal picture of you then is that you're avoiding something, which immediately and unknowingly projects as avoiding sincerity on anyone watching you. - Do not breathe heavily.
It may be difficult to avoid, because it includes faster heart-rate, sweating and so on. But learning to not breath through the mouth opening, and switching to breathing with the lower part of the lungs using your solar plexus is an old trick for people learning to sing and hold tones.
Everyone can learn it with proper help. - Do not juxtaposition your extremities anywhere.
As said earlier. Every move you make is considered a possible aggression. The human brain is therefor very good at judging these moves, but the human race has long since also become advantaged with de-clocking this barrier.
But no matter this later history, the primal brain cannot easily afford any move you make, be it fingers pounding nervously constantly or just any unexpected projecting. It's always seen by your other part as an aggressive act, taken into consideration by the opponents brain. - You may move your body as long as not against earlier rules, which will be difficult, so better move easy or not at all.
Not moving at all isn't easy. But there are moves which doesn't signal aggressiveness. One example is showing both palms, either from under, or by raising them into the air. These are known reflexes and aren't just symbols someone thought up on a clever day.
If you think on it yo will easily come up with more, and don't forget that there are a few winks known to work for your eyes as well. - Do not use your legs to move forward when you try to implicate something, it reflexes into your eyes so they will widen and you will blink, like you aren't ready.
Moving your feet always implicate the idea you have, and it usually carries through your whole body language. - Do not move your breast forward either. It doesn't imply mass. Rather the other way around.
"Breasting up" can be seen on several animals, and very typical among birds of male gender. They usually have specially colored feathers added to the theater. Cats raise their back in an almost ludicrous way to look larger.
This reflex can be found in humans as well, but as described when using birds and cats as examples, this reflex isn't working on humans on the intellectual plane. We are too smart for it. For us it mainly means; "I can be bigger and stronger than you because I cannot explain myself otherwise!"
Pretty stupid isn't it?
- When you look into the eyes of another person and wanting to look confident you shouldn't dart between the two. Just fix one eye, preferably the left (which will be the right for you).
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poit57 — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 11:56 AM)
How does appearing aggressive negate the appearance of confidence? I would think those two states would complement each other. I don't have an air of confidence about me, which I would attribute to being a passive, non-aggressive person in general.
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Kunovega — 9 years ago(October 10, 2016 11:16 PM)
Aggression is a sign of fear, not confidence
Aggression and bravado are false fronts from people who lack real confidence but simultaneously refuse to show cowardice
A confident person does not need to put on a show of aggression, they simply need to "be" in the moment and remain themselves instead of putting on a show of aggression and without breaking down into cowardice
A confident person can choose violence or non-violence as needed based on logical choices and without fear forcing them to pick between aggression or cowardice. They don't have to be passive, but they certainly don't just jump straight to aggression out of fear. -
crusojalewhistef — 9 years ago(October 31, 2016 08:28 PM)
Been behind on this board. I can't believe I missed this. I wonder if I can use this in an interview, if I ever get one again. I would just have to tweak it but sighs I don't know if I can pull this off. Seems like it requires a certain amount of talent. I've never been good at body language appropriation. I'm not even sure if I maintain eye contact most of the time but ooh do I want to try it out. Nothing else I do works so
I try to live without regret but I'm about to break a sweat. -
crusojalewhistef — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 07:14 PM)
Well the guy that's supposed to help me with jobs is very Christian so can't ask him.
But maybe I can ask my mom or the guy I'm dating (he is also Christian but it might be okay because he's more open minded. I talked with him about this show once)
I try to live without regret but I'm about to break a sweat.