LOGAN will be a better movie than Doctor Strange if…
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Gandalf-the-Greyss — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:15 PM)
Wait until you see Dr Strange and you will finally see how old and repetitive MCU movies have become. The R Rating and violence is not the appeal of Logan. I love how they made Logan such a unique Marvel superhero film with a brutal, emotional, and serious Western tone unlike the usual formulaic Marvel films we have in the 2010s with slapstick dry humor, uninspiring plot, unrealistic colorful cinematography with the usual MCU lighthearted tone.
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Gandalf-the-Greyss — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 10:38 PM)
Dr Strange is the continuation of the Marvel-Disney formulaic movie clothing line. People like you keep fueling the Marvel flame wars. Doing it constantly is not going to affect the narrative of a potential future X-Men series that is not part of the MCU since X-Men doesn't fit in the MCU universe.
Logan is meant to be based on the Old Man Logan series. A comic book I guarantee you that MCU-Disney cannot adapt like other X-Men stories including a future Gambit movie, Cable vs Deadpool, and X-Force. All of which has nothing to do with Dr Strange. -
samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 05:29 AM)
Dr Strange is the continuation of the Marvel-Disney formulaic movie clothing line.
You must seriously hate James Bond, Star Trek, Dr Who, Star Wars, etc
People like you keep fueling the Marvel flame wars. Doing it constantly is not going to affect the narrative of a potential future X-Men series that is not part of the MCU since X-Men doesn't fit in the MCU universe.
Funny how NO ONE can ever justify how the X-Men cannot be in the MCU.
Logan is meant to be based on the Old Man Logan series. A comic book I guarantee you that MCU-Disney cannot adapt like other X-Men stories
FOX won't do it either. And Old Man Logan is hardly "darker" than anything MCU has put out. -
That_Guy_Son — 9 years ago(November 05, 2016 05:16 AM)
X-men has been far more repetitive that you can actually predict what will happen in the movies. The same can be said about Logan. It looks like the same thing that happened in The Wolverine. Hell, it's looking like the same plot to the first X-men. Let's see, loner Logan meets up with a young girl and old(er) man needs his help. Come to find out that villains want him, but it's actually the girl they want. Wonder if the movie will end in a tall building.
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Gandalf-the-Greyss — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 12:26 PM)
The red band trailer was the R Rated trailer that only a few people saw.I dont know why someone made this thread to fuel the flames, but I have seen Dr Strange. The movie is an entertaining movie but it was the usual formulaic and forgettable MCU origins movie that reminded me of why X-Men does not fit in the MCU. Logan's western feel and shcindhers list tone has stuck with me more than Dr Strange. Logan could be the misplaced prequel to a Gambit movie.
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samhmd-7489 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 05:40 AM)
The red band trailer was the R Rated trailer that only a few people saw.I dont know why someone made this thread to fuel the flames, but I have seen Dr Strange. The movie is an entertaining movie but it was the usual formulaic and forgettable MCU origins movie that reminded me of why X-Men does not fit in the MCU.
The only real complaint people have over the X-Men being in the MCU is that Mutants would now exist alongside Magic and Aliens and stuff.
People who enjoy the FoX-Men movies are ashamed of actual comic books elements like that and dislike the idea they'd have to watch a movie where they're even mentioned. Mutants would no longer be the Belle of the Ball and they just can't stand that idea.
And for the record, Logan will wuss out and will just be more of the same from what we've seen of X-Men. -
cjp2157 — 9 years ago(November 01, 2016 08:22 AM)
My money is still on Logan to be the highest grossing R-rated movie in history with even better audience and critic response, if & only if the whole thing about the year being set @ 2024 is utter BS.
Why don't we just hope for a good movie.
This is probably not making more than The Wolverine btw. -
troyplafond — 9 years ago(November 04, 2016 07:31 PM)
I don't think Logan will be the biggest R rated movie ever.
Wolverine franchise history:
X-Men Origins: Wolverine made 179 million domestic onto 373 million worldwide.
The Wolverine made 132 million domestic onto 414 million worldwide.
Content:
Deadpool was overly sexual, profane, and violent. However, teenagers (and younger) still turned out, because it was all gleefully over-the-top, and a hell of a good time. However, Logan isn't. Logan is down to earth, heavy, and dark, with likely a similar level of graphic violence and explicit language. This could turn off viewers.
Newness Factor:
Deadpool felt incredibly new for a superhero movie for its content. However, Logan doesn't have this benefit. While combining the R rated content in a superhero movie and dark content is new in our latest CBM boom, neither on its own is unique (Deadpool being R rated, BvS being dark). Additionally, the heavy themes and content is land that Marvel has covered wonderfully in their Netflix universe (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage). Therefore, Logan, while more unique than the average CBM, doesn't benefit from the same newness factor as Deadpool.
Release Date:
Releases right before Kong: Skull Island and Beauty and the Beast. Kong: Skull Island and Logan will both pull from the general action fan demographic. While Beauty and the Beast doesn't really overlap much with Logan's audience (except for me), the fact that it'll likely be a massive juggernaut can't help Logan.
That's not to say Logan will flat out bomb. I think it will be successful, and make a solid 500 million worldwide. It looks fantastic. The graphic, heavily themed superhero has been popularized by Marvel TV, which while removing the newness, should also help its accessibility a bit. Separating itself from prior Wolverine movies should only help. I just don't think it'll break out to a massive degree a la Deadpool. -
xenoliths — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 10:36 AM)
Wolverine's history on the big screen matters very little. There's so much going for this movie. Jackman's last rodeo, R-rated, etc.
Look at Fast and Furious. It climbed gradually in box office profits before exploding and beating AoU in its 7th attempt.
Look at Iron Man. The last of the trilogy as horrible as it is made more money than the first two combined.
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troyplafond — 9 years ago(November 06, 2016 12:14 PM)
As much as I hate to say it, Furious 7's performance was boosted by Paul Walker's death. There's no way it would've gone that high if that didn't happen. Plus, the Furious movies before that were bigger than the Wolverine movies, and better recieved.
Iron Man 3 was the first movie after the Avengers, the only reason it went that high.
I can't argue that the movie has a decent amount going for it, but I just don't see it climbing much past 500 million.