My only complaint
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KthulhuX — 13 years ago(January 01, 2013 02:50 AM)
Actually, Thor will be killed in Ragnarok. And many scholars think that in the original form, EVERYTHING died at Ragnarok. The whole thing with a man, a woman, and a handful of god probably was part of the unfortunate "Christianization" of the Norse myths.
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TimTaison2020 — 15 years ago(January 09, 2011 10:57 PM)
Powers and Abilities
Powers
Superhuman Strength: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of the Earth). Diana is literally as strong as the Earth because of her link to the planet granted to her by Demeter. She is said to be 'stronger than Hercules'. It is obvious her strength is magical in nature, given her height and weight. According to the secret files, Wonder Womans' strength is enough to physically match beings such as Superman, Captain Marvel and Supergirl, and has also been shown to, on numerous occasions. She is considered to be the strongest superheroine in the world. She has godlike strength and also invulnerability due to her aegis-made shield magic bracelets. With her superhuman strength and superior fighting abilities, she has proven to be a match for any of them at one time or another. Later she needed and took out the six other members of the Justice League, in Justice League; League of One. This was done in order to save their lives as well as the entire planet. She is strong enough to lift weights well into the megaton range and even pull 1/3 of the earth.
Superhuman Durability: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of the Earth). Diana, possesses a high resistance to damage and magical attacks. Her resistance to injury is not quite as great as any of the above mentioned metahumans. However, due to her vast threshold for pain and her amazon ability to heal at a superhuman rate, this easily makes up for the difference. She has withstood considerable bludgeoning damage in the form of hand to hand combat with metahuman opponents such as powerful as Superman and Captain Marvel. She has considerable resistance to human weaponries,though this is not absolute; she has a particular vulnerability to bladed weapons, such as swords and spears, and projectiles, such as bullets and arrows. However, she can easily survive under extreme pressures, cold, and heat. Wonder Woman has been able to traverse space, undergo submergence into lava, and withstand a direct explosion from a nuclear warhead unharmed. Born of the clay of Themyscira, and given life and divine powers by the gods themselves, Diana has heightened resistance to magical attacks. She is highly experienced in battling foes who use sorcery as a weapon. As a divine creation herself, she is far-less susceptible to manipulation by magic and mental attack than many of her fellow heroes.
Flight: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). Wonder Woman is capable of unassisted flight through an as yet unknown but probably magical means or through telekenisis. Her aerial maneuverability is not as developed as aerial combatants such as Hawkman or the Black Condor, but she is still a relatively capable aerial combatant as well. Wonderwoman is capable of flying at speeds of greater than escape velocity. She has been clocked at Mach 5 (hyper-sonic) traveling in sustained flight and can go much faster if need be.
Superhuman Speed: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). She is able to think, react and move at superhuman speeds. Her top speed is high hypersonic(It's lightspeed in some instances but it may not be consistent) and according to Flash, she can easily keep up with him but it should be noted that the Flash does not usually go at his nearly max speed which is lightspeed, unless the situation is severe and calls for it.
Superhuman Reflexes: Granted by Hermes (God of Messengers). Wonder Woman possesses reflex abilities similar to speedsters, such as Jesse Quick and Max Mercury, and has been noted as being faster than Superman's. She is able to keep up with Jesse Quick with ease, referencing her patron deity of speed and messenger of the gods, Hermes, as the source of her powers. Wonder Woman's reflexes are far beyond the limitations of the finest human athletes. She has been able to react to a barrage of gunfire from multiple opponents at once unharmed.
Superhuman Agility: Wonder Womans's agility is far beyond that of even an olympic level athlete, as is her balance and coordination.
Superhuman Stamina: Wonder Woman can last a great deal of time in any fight and with virtually anyone. She has held her own in combat with foes as powerful as a Doomsday clone. She doesn't tire out, as her body produces no lactic acids in her muscles.
Enhanced Healing Factor: Granted by Demeter (Goddess of Earth). Like the Earth, Diana is constantly renewing herself, allowing her to quickly heal mild to moderate injuries at an amazing rate. Her normal regenerative abilities allow her to recover from injury within seconds to minutes. She possesses an incredible immunity from poisons, toxins, as well as disease. In rare cases where she was gravely injured or where another has managed to severely poison her, Diana showed the ability to physically merge with the Earth, causing whatever injuries or poisons to be expelled from her body as she regains shape.
Oneness With Fire: Granted by Hestia (Goddess of the Hearth). Apparently making her a focus of truth.
Empathy: Granted by Athena. (Goddess of Wisdom) -
mborok — 15 years ago(February 07, 2011 04:35 PM)
Ares was wounded by a mortal in the Trojan war. The gods helped, but there is every indication that Zeus helped WW in this case by weakening Ares with his thunderbolt. The gods also stay immortal by drinking nectar and ambrosia, which Ares presumably has been without during the time of his incarceration. It still required more of a set-up, though. One moment he boasts of being as powerful as any of the other gods, the next she takes his head off. They should have given some visual cue to show him extremely weakened.
The sexism didn't make much sense with the movie being set in modern, "post-feminist" times. It worked a lot better in the original, 70's Wonder Woman series, which started out being set in WWII. -
ZAROVE — 14 years ago(June 10, 2011 08:33 PM)
Heh, the sexism is reversed. Now apparently all men are pigs.
That said
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosia
Nothing in the Mythology says they are reliant upon this substance. Rather, it seems that The Nectar and Ambrosia did not make them Immortal. It was merely their perfect and imperishable Divine Food, and a sort of extension of themselves.
The Norse gods were reliant on an external source, the Greek gods were Immortal by nature. They simply could not die. Look at Prometheus, who was chained to a rock for a few centuries. He wasnt exactly dining on Nectar and Ambrosia while the Vulture ate his Liver.
While it is True that the Nectar and Ambrosia could grant Immortality to a Human who consumed it, the gods did not need it for that end. -
astro_5000 — 12 years ago(August 17, 2013 09:00 PM)
I liked the movie
but even as a guy i think the message is full of crap and no i'm not arguing on the side of man, i'm arguing on the side of women because frankly it was one sided. If you're biased then the whole debate and message becomes null and void IF not unfair
steve rambles on about what the amazons did was stupid and not all men are bad etc etc
yet the first thing he does is talk about dianas rack, yes a straight guy would notice a chicks boobs (alot of men a guilty of this) but only a douche jock would voice it out loud THEN the next thing he does is try to get her drunk. You think he would've NOT banged her if the alcohol worked??
and all this touchy feely crap at the hospital really unravels his points, then harps on about what men and women need is NOT to be kept apart yet america and western civilisation is the BEST example of why it should
the airstrike on
Themyscira
is the best point, which the god of war pointed out
Man has not learnt one single lesson since the island was created and frankly if WW wasn't a babe steve wouldn't bat an eyelid at her
diana made a good point that if she wasn't a women he wouldn't of done what he did, his remarks was "oh this sexism thing again"
LMFAO lets be honest here, if this was a a war movie with two dudes the guy would do what had to be done and save the world, and stop the men who was tied up from getting shivved
steve saved diana yes because he was nice but mainly made the choice with the WRONG HEAD !!
the message was there but it was all skewed and one-sided and was biased, and the traitor may said she was not at fault for falling in love, but she didn't fall in love she just gave into lust and temptation, she killed a sweet innocent book worm
the message there should of at least, yes you can't control who you love, but you can control your actionsits what makes
Themyscira
a paradise because its untainted by corruption. LOve and FAMILY should be the most important thingthe traitor used love as a way to start a war -
sane1216 — 12 years ago(August 21, 2013 09:09 AM)
Your whole post sort of proves my point that the storyline was pretty much pro-feminist down to the character archetype of Steve. His actions were pretty much a feminists idea of a man in general.
I'm not following how American and Western Civilization are the best examples of why men and women should be kept apart. I'm assuming this has to do with how somehow all the wars are caused by men. Funny thing here is that Wonder Woman is an Amazon, a female warrior. Women fight in wars and from recent youtube videos I've seen of girls ganging up on girls in the last couple of years, females can sometimes be far more vicious then men. So if this statement is spun from the argument of a supposed patriarchal world before the recent centuries, I'd have to disagree.
Edited to add that this reminds me of a Justice League episode, "Fury" in which a rogue Amazon collected some of the female super villians in an attempt to rid the world of men. I don't recall everything to the letter, but I recall Hawkgirl coming down on Wonder Woman, rightfully so about her man hating hypocrisy. It was a good portrayal of the man vs women or women vs men argument that has arisen out of the feminist movement, however it was argued by two-three women. Radical viewpoints, "normal" viewpoints, and then the opposing feminist viewpoint which was Hawkgirl.
Queens and Empresses started wars too. Often times in the past Queens and Empresses were whispering in the ears of their husbands to start wars for insert reason here. It wasn't always the reason, but it happened. There are historical accounts of a lot of women warriors who led their people to war in both loss and defeat.
It's been four years since I watched Wonder Woman so I can't really agree or disagree with any of your points. My contention was that I felt the argument or the philosophical coverage of the argument in the storyline shouldn't have been so one sided, and as you showed with your breakdown of the Steve character, shouldn't have been so definitively one sided to the core. No wonder Steve couldn't offer successful philosophical counter arguments because his characterization was sabotaged at it's very core. I feel this is a case and point here. -
Welsh_Pirate — 11 years ago(July 20, 2014 02:28 AM)
I agree. I liked the eventual message that both men and women are at fault when it comes to the divide between the sexes, but the movie went about it in kind of a hackneyed way. Both Diana and Steve acted pretty sexist, until Steve randomly said "hey, men and women should stop fighting long enough to speak to each other like adults", and then they just kind of get along.
I thought the movie was a pretty decent attempt at a WW film, but definitely needed some refining. Still, it was better than the message of "I have superpowers because I grew up in a society uncorrupted by the evil of the penis" like the Lynda Carter show liked to tout.
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Dream_Demon — 10 years ago(December 11, 2015 08:01 PM)
To clear things up about whether Greek gods can die or not, they can in fact die, including the "deathless" ones (i.e. the ones who can't die through conventional means). Period. Apparently, when it comes to dying and gods, there are two kinds of gods: "Deathless" gods (i.e. what we commonly think of as a god, such as Protogenoi, Titans, Olympians, and plenty of minor ones like Thanatos, Hebe, Kratos (NOT the one from God of War but rather his namesake), Iris, Styx, Geras, etc.) and ones that can die through conventional means such as nymphs and satyrs (they in fact have been fact have worshipped as minor deities, thus they qualify.). Whereas killing the latter can be as simple as inflicting enough damage, or in the case of hamadryads, even cutting down a tree the goddess inhabits, killing a "deathless god" in contrast has NOTHING to do with depriving them of ambrosia and nectar (his has been disproven by Prometheus, Atlas, and Ares, all of which have been restrained in some manner and being without nourishment for a very long time, and also disproven by the Protogenoi, who themselves are literally the environment thus they can't actually eat food) nor does it have to do with inflicting enough damage. Instead, it all has to do with the god being willing to give up his/her immortality, the other gods putting him/her in the power of Thanatos, and the Fates unloosening his/her threads of fate.
This is precisely how Chiron (contrary to popular belief, he is actually a deathless god as he is the son of Cronus the Titan King and Philyra a mountain nymph, and despite being called a centaur he actually predates them since he was born in the Golden Age during the reign of the Titans while the other centaurs are the descendants of a cloud nymph created by Zeus who looks exactly like Hera and a mortal king who lusted after Hera) died after he accidentally poisoned himself with the blood of the Hydra when he dropped one of Heracles' poison-tipped arrows onto his foot. After being in unbearable agony for who knows how long, he died precisely in the way I described above, proving that a deathless god can in fact die but only if he/she and the other gods plus the Fates are willing for him/her to die. Also, there's the minor god Pan to take into account, who according to Plutarch is said to have died during the reign of the Roman Emperor Tiberius. It's unknown if he was actually a deathless god or not, but if he was, then he very likely died in the same process that Chiron went through to die (i.e. he gives up immortality for some reason, other gods put him under Thanatos' power, and Fates unloosen his threads of Fate). This method of god-killing should theoretically work on both the Olympians, the Titans, and plenty of other deathless gods, but with the possible exceptions of the Protogenoi (they're literally the environment, thus they likely can't die), and Thanatos himself (he literally controls life and death as without him being active, NOBODY is able to die period much to Ares' displeasure when Thanatos was captured by Sisyphus).
Also for the record, the Aesir and the Vanir actually were never stated to be able to die from not eating Idunn's golden apples. They were instead stated to have suffered from extreme aging, suggesting that they'd suffer from "age without youth" rather than death, and the only one among both groups of gods who doesn't suffer from this would be Odin himself (he never actually eats food but only drinks wine instead, ergo he doesn't eat golden apples). Also, Norse gods are in fact capable of coming back to life but only if they were sent to Helheim first as seen when Baldur and Hodr both return to the world of the living after Ragnarok ends.
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