Let's talk a bit about Cameron's idea so what do we know about it except Electro and Sandman as potential baddies?
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 15, 2012 03:44 AM)
Rachel was simply awful and filled no real function other than the obligatory "The hero always needs a female love interest who can anchor him into society" I wish more films would just drop the worthless love stories. Hollywood has always been "love stories for the sake of love stories" and it was unfortunately the same in the say 50s as well.
I have about watching that show too, It sounds hilarious. I can't stand animated shows from that decade but Live Action might be more fun. From what I have heard it's a true "so bad it's good" show.
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Gustav_Fiers — 14 years ago(February 15, 2012 07:30 PM)
Efram Zimbalist Jr was the real Doc Ock.
A doormat who runs errands for the Kingpin? The only time Efrem's Doc Ock had dignity was in his first episode, Armed and Dangerous.
I guess Alfred Molina worked in a live action movie but it was a mistake to copy him to a cartoon. (People really need to learn the fact that things that work in one story telling medium doesn't necessarily have to work in the others.)
The only thing they copied was a similar visual look. McNicol's Doc Ock was the Doc Ock of the comics through and through. In a mere two seasons they did several of Doc Ock's best stories from the comics. The Sinister Six, The Master Planner and the Gang War.
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KCJ506 — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 05:25 AM)
I do think that TAS Ock had the better voice, but I didn't like the way he was treated and it's one of the criticisms I have with the show.
Doc Ock being Kingpin's butt monkey. No just no. Now if they shared a similar interest, sure they would work with each other. But Doc Ock would never cow tow to Fisk. Hell Kingpin stole Ock's thunder in TAS by creating the Sini.err I mean Insidious 6. That was Ock's work of genius at work in the comics which SSM fortunatly acknowledged. Not to mention the two parter where Ock brainwashed Spidey into helping him could have been a good way for him to claim his arch nemesis status but was once again ruined by the fact that he was working for Kingpin. Kingpin didn't even attribute to anything other than showing Ock wasn't acting on his own. This is the episode where Ock got beat by a little girl. And then there's the Black Cat two parter. Ock at first starts off on his own looking for that formula then all of a sudden Kingpin shows up. Brings Ock back to his base and after some fancy talking points Ocks back to being Kingpin's lackey for another two parter.
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 07:13 AM)
Stone walls do not a prison make, nor iron bars a cage Not against the genius of DOCTOR OCTOPUS that;s what I didn't see at Alfred Molina or the TSSM one.
Broken promise? Sounds familiar- Gothamite #4
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Gustav_Fiers — 14 years ago(February 17, 2012 07:33 PM)
I said I liked Ock's look in TAS not his later appearances.
That post wasn't aimed at you, Edd.
I love what TSSM did with ock and Tombstone, what'd you think?
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 18, 2012 05:50 AM)
Okay, just wanted to make it clear that I do not endorse Ock being anyone's lackey.
And Kraven in TSSM wasn't that great to me. He was not very smart taking that formula from Warren- Gothamite #4
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 22, 2012 12:16 PM)
I got them on DVD's with Romnaian subs, not that I needed those. And why not admit it, I want DVD's of 94 too, sweet nostalgia Unfortunately some anime got in the way of my DC/Marvel re-watching plans but I'll surely watch TSSM before The Amazing Spider-Man hits teathres.
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Scrite — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 02:39 PM)
I meant "real" as in his voice. I ranted about how the show butchered the character through his actions in another post.
Spectacular Spider-Man did a far better job with doing the character justice, (well it did a far better job doing every single character justice) you will never hear me argue against that.
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KCJ506 — 14 years ago(February 16, 2012 05:57 PM)
Well I really wasn't too fond of the whole lion Kraven thing, but other than that yeah, the characterzations were much better here. This was the first time Gwen was part of the main cast. MJ was the the cool party girl finally. Flash develops into a person, and many characters shine. Spidey has the supporting cast and this show is the first to use them. Each character is likeable and developed enough Peter doesn't even have to be there for there to be a story.
Even Sally Avril who served the same purpose Anna Watson did in TAS had her human moments. She didn't go overboard with the Peter bashing and actually felt sad when she thought he died. Whereas Anna Watson's screentime was entirely dedicated to acting like Peter was the spawn of Satan. She even bought into the idea that he was a US traitor and if Peter had died or was at least thought to be dead, she most likely would have been cheering for his death.
Now as the villains, SSM Norman was a much more enjoyable character. In TAS he scares pretty easily, especially when confronted by the Vulture. In SSM he's being held 100s of feet in the air by Vulture and not only is he not afraid of him, he insults him. Even when he got dropped he still didn't scream. Not to mention he broke HIS OWN SON'S leg, so he could frame him.
I also liked how Rhino was portrayed here. Other adaptions just had him as a big dumb brute. In SSM, he's still not the brightest bulb, but at least he's not a COMPLETE idiot. He was actually the one who figured out if he wanted to find Spider-man, he would have to find Peter Parker. I also liked in that one episode when he and Spidey are fighting under a garage, Rhino breaks down a pole, Spidey goes "Missed again!" and Rhino goes "Not aiming at you!" and the place starts falling down on Spidey.
Venom was also more sinister and actually came closer to accomplishing his goal here. Whereas all the 90s one did was chase Peter around, this one actually used the info he had.
And it still hurts considering that Roderick Kingsley's Hobgoblin has never been adapted outside the comics and this show was very close to doing so.
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Cold_In_Space — 14 years ago(February 17, 2012 05:02 AM)
I liked Eddie Brock in TSSM, you just wouldn't think he'd end up as a bad guy.
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