A really bad show….
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royfokkerss — 18 years ago(May 23, 2007 07:53 PM)
I think another real problem was the way it presented itself. I'm sick to death of these shows/films that do this whole girl power bit. They try and throw it in your face that the character is female and she's strong and can fight and this, that and the other. Give me believable strong female characters any day over crap like this. Sarah Connor(T2) and Ellen Ripley(Aliens) come to mind.
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rogue824life-1 — 18 years ago(July 13, 2007 03:28 PM)
Yeah. But I think it had potential to be really good. I liked the character of Huntress, or Helena Kyle, and how she has issues with her estranged father (Bruce Wayne/Batman), and that he didn't know he had a daughter, or whatever thing they had going in the show. Anyway, I also like how she was taken in by Oracle after her mother was killed, and how Oracle becomes her guide and mentor. I loved the relationship between Helena and Barbara. I didn't mind Alfred either.
What I didn't like was Dinah's character. I also hate how Wade and Reese are introduced as "love interests" right off the bat. I think that is something that could have been introduced much much later, and developed over a period of time so that their death's maybe could have had a stronger emotional impact. Or maybe not have them at all. Dinah's character reminded me too much of Dawn from Buffy, though more annoying. As for Harlequin, I would have got a better actress. Or brought in a different villain, though I can understand her as having all the reason to want to take down Huntress and Oracle, as a way to pay back The Batman for killing her beloved Joker.
Anyway, it's too bad the show ended up just that: bad. If they had taken better care of the characters, their relationships, and the plot, I think it would have lasted a little longer.
But what can one do. It's over. I often thought of a re-imagining of this show. But I doubt that would be possible. -
fuzzyblueslurpee — 17 years ago(July 15, 2008 11:48 AM)
I think this show was okay and I agree with everyone who says it could have been more. I think the acting was passable aside from a few areas where some lines sounded rehearsed but it wasn't a constant struggle to suspend my disbelief. Ultimately, I think the shows downfall can be blamed on the piss poor writing team who were either really lazy or total amateurs. If I had a dollar for everytime a character said " He killed my mother " or " We don't kill, that's not what we do " i'd be rich. Also I think they should have done so much more with Dinah. Especially since they made a big stink out of her wanting to be part of the fighting team in one of the episodes and then immediately went back to her being a worthless little waif in the next. Her powers always seemed to be an afterthought and weren't used in parts where they would've been awesome. I can't say I fully believe that Harley Quinn would someday be independent enough to run the kinda schemes she was running either.
I haven't read the comics so I don't feel I have the right to complain about the basic storyline and in all honesty it is a good idea that would have worked really well. It was just executed really badly. I think if the show had a few more seasons, the problems could have been ironed out but we'll never know. My advice is that this show is worth a look especially if you're a Batman fan. But I wouldn't go into it with very high expectations. -
fuzzyblueslurpee — 17 years ago(July 17, 2008 09:13 PM)
I didn't say anything about "wanting to see Batman". The show would've been good or bad wether he was on it or not. And unfortunately, the writing DID suck. Unless you think monotonous dialogue is somehow interesting. But then again, you liked Freddy vs Jason so I think that says it all right there.
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illimattic — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 11:58 AM)
The writing did not suck. Your writing suckshow do i know? Your reply to me sucked. Oh and your last comment about FvJ..is as stupid of a comeback like blue slurpee sucks and thats all I'm gonna say right there.
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fuzzyblueslurpee — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 05:22 PM)
You are one angry kid. What's the matter lil fella? Did your mom and dad cancel your World Of Warcraft subscription?
And by the way, my comment about Freddy vs Jason is NOTHING like saying someones name sucks. I realize you aren't the most intelligent person so i'll try to go slow here
Your comment tried to invalidate anyone elses opinion who differed from yours as if you in some way had authority to do that. Based on the list of movies and shows you have on your bio page you clearly have no idea what good or bad is. I was merely pointing that out. Whereas attacking someones handle is just stupid and totally off the point.
I doubt any of this is sinking in because obviously, you're just another one of those losers that has to get their kicks from starting arguments on message boards. Bottom line here junior, is that the writers of Birds of Prey should be banned from writing ever again. End of conversation.
P.S. In case you read this and started typing your little fat fingers away in a hurried fluster to "get me back" I regret to inform you that all I have to do to make you go away is a little imdb feature called "ignore". And you just made the list. Congratulations boo! -
lokithemadtitan — 17 years ago(July 18, 2008 05:08 PM)
yes. this show was pretty horrible all together and it had nothing to do with batman. i could care less about him being in any episodes. the writing was ridiculously putrid. laughable even in some episodes. i watched it when it was on the air and i wish i had not. the acting ranged from ok to terrible. they could not even do the stunt work correctly so you can add poor directing to the list as well. it was a pretty embarrassing outing over all and deserved to be canceled. if it had come out this year it would not have made it past four eps before it would be canned. avoid at all costs unless you are a super hardcore fan.
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TesubCalle — 17 years ago(July 28, 2008 02:22 AM)
I commented on a different thread that as it is with any show, there are good episodes, middling episodes, and really bad episodes. Birds was no exception.
I have to disagree with the poster who thought they should have cast a different actress for Harley. I really liked Mia Sara as the villain in BoP. There was this dangeous relationship with Helena that I wish the writers had had time to develop. At each 'session', there was always that danger that Helena's secret could be revealed, thereby throwing everything into chaos.
(Sort of SPOILER-ish comments to follow. Do not read ahead if you have not seen the show and do not wish to have anything spoiled:)
Imagine, the hidden enemy you're trying to bring down is right under your nose, and you're in therapy with her every week or so? If I didn't already have serious trust issues after finding out about Harley's criminal mastermind/psychopathic plans, I'd really need some professional help if I were Helena.
I did not think that the 'love interest' angle was dropped on us in Det. Jesse Reese's case. Neither Helena nor Jesse were interested in a relationship in the beginning. They were pretty standoff-ish with each other, sometimes even bordering on hostility. Did we figure out that there was some underlying attraction going on? Of course we did. It's TV. Hot male meets hot female? We know how to connect these dots. Episodes like 'Prey for the Hunter' were especially good in highlighting that Helena really finds it difficult to trust people, and is not about to jump into a relationship with just any guy she meets.
Wade Brixton, on the other hand, was just too good to be true. He was too caring, too nice, too sweet - you just had to guess he was cannon fodder. In spite of how unbelievably sweet he was, it was great to be able to show that Barbara was capable of having a meaningful relationship in spite of being in a wheelchair. It speaks more to a societal view of physical handicaps, in my opinion. Just because she can't use her legs doesn't mean she's not worthy of the love and attention of a nice guy like Wade. (But in the long run, we all know that Barbara Gordon and Dick Grayson belong together, so I didn't feel all that terrible when Harley killed him.)
I think everyone can at least agree that Dina Meyer was perfectly cast as Barbara, though. She brought an incredible amount of believability to the complexities of the character. Meyer had to really inhabit the mind, body and soul of the ex-Batgirl, now the paralysed Oracle, mentoring and keeping the Birds together as a functioning unit, and I think she was successful. She also had to pretend to be this mild-mannered English teacher who ran an on-line baking company for the sake of keeping up appearances for Wade. If they ever have need of an Oracle character in the Batman movies, my vote would go to Meyer.
Good episodes, in my opinion, would be: the Unaired Pilot (has a few scenes that make small things a little more credible than the actual Pilot), Slick, Sins of the Mother (had some really great dialogue!), Lady Shiva, Nature of the Beast, and Devil's Eyes.
Middling episodes: Prey for the Hunter, Three Birds and a Baby, Primal Scream, Split, Feat of Clay.
Bad episodes: Gladiatrix (perhaps the WORST episode of the entire series) and Reunion (which makes use of some creative timelinesUm, when, exactly did Helena graduate again!? And how old are those ex-classmates of hers?!).
Was BoP 'terrible'? I don't think so. Was it fantastic? Ehhh, not really. But it had enough entertaining moments that I'll watch it again. Sure, it could have been better. But that's the way TV goes.
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fuzzyblueslurpee — 17 years ago(July 28, 2008 12:15 PM)
I agree with 99% of your post. The only thing I disagree with of course is about Mia Sara as Harley Quinn. I don't think she did an awful job and actually did a great crazy woman. For some reason she didn't seem like Harley Quinn to me though. I think Mia Sara is an awesome actress and is still stunningly beautiful. For me it was just an odd casting choice. But I will say that she did really awesome in the final episode.
Ultimately this show is taken as a whole from it's first season since it wasn't given any more. Every tv show is kinda awkward and can be choppy in it's first season while the actors and plots work out the kinks. So yeah, the show wasn't top of the line but, it wasn't awful. The point I was trying to make previously is that the writers didn't seem to know what they were doing. I think the fact that so many people look down on BoP can be blamed on them. It was just so monotonous and seemed like a huge chunk of dialogue was just written in to fill time. Luckily, they had a really strong story to draw from with alot of followers being a Batman spin off. But I feel it could have been so so much more had more capable people been in charge of the writing. To me BoP had cult classic potential that was thrown away by lazy writers. That's my opinion.
I agree that Dina Meyer was pretty good as Oracle. She out of the whole cast never made it difficult to suspend disbelief that she was this high tech crime figher and caretaker. I think all the actors did great considering it was the first season. As I said before, there were some areas where lines sounded rehearsed but again, they were all barely beginning to settle into their parts.