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ScoMore — 1 year ago(February 27, 2025 10:21 AM)
This sounds like either:
- Carbon monoxide poisoning (the most likely)
- Hackman died, his wife committed suicide out of grief. They were dead for a while and the dog starved.
- Hackman's wife died, he committed suicide out of grief. They were dead for a while and the dog starved.
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SealedCargo — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 06:30 AM)
i don't think she died and then he committed suicide. at his age, i don't buy that.
i think she commited sucide if suicide is the case.
as for the dog, poor thing.
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Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 06:46 AM)
SealedCargo February 28, 2025 03:30 PM
Member since March 31, 2019
i don't think she died and then he committed suicide. at his age, i don't buy that.
i think she commited sucide if suicide is the case.
as for the dog, poor thing.
Yah, sad scenario.
Hackman was found in the mudroom, and Arakawa was found in a bathroom, with prescription pills scattered throughout the bathroom and a pill bottle near her body. One of their dogs was dead in a bathroom closet near her; all the bodies showed signs of decay.
The couple's two other dogs were found alive on the property.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Hackman#Death
I think, it's pretty clear now.
He (95) died a natural death (autopsy pending).
She (64) committed suicide.
Because one of their dogs disturbed her, she locked him in the closet.
Not thinking about the consequences in her grief (dog starved). -
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Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 06:55 AM)
Hepocles February 28, 2025 03:50 PM
Member since October 21, 2020
I think this is what happened as well. Interesting case.
The front door was open as well, and the other two dogs were roaming the property. Do you think they managed to open the door themselves?
Possible (dogs opened the door).
Or it was the whole time open?
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ScoMore — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 10:56 AM)
Or how about this?
Hackman's wife felt ill, went into the bathroom to take some pills, she collapsed, knocking the pills onto the floor.
Hackman panicked, went for help and had a heart attack. The dog ate the pills that were on the bathroom floor and died near Hackman's wife. -
Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 11:00 AM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 07:56 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
Or how about this?
Hackman's wife felt ill, went into the bathroom to take some pills, she collapsed, knocking the pills onto the floor.
Hackman panicked, went for help and had a heart attack. The dog ate the pills that were on the bathroom floor and died near Hackman's wife.
Good theory!
Except the dog, a GSD btw.
The dead dog was found in the closed bathroom closet.
GSDs can easily open doors, but usually they don't lock themselves in.
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Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 11:25 AM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 08:09 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
Was the door to the bathroom closet closed or was the dog just in the closet?
The dog might have crawled into the closet to die.
In that detail all reports stayed consistent, the bathroom closet door was closed.
Therefore it must've been locked with a key, otherwise the GSD would've opened it.
GSDs aren't prone to suicide if buddies are still somewhere around (the 2 other dogs). -
Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 11:05 AM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 07:58 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
If one of the dogs disturbed her, wouldn't she just take the dog out of the bathroom and then close the door behind her when she re-entered the bathroom?
Agreed, more likely…then again…
A grief stricken person on the way to commit suicide might not think reasonable anymore.
And perhaps the GSD
'massively'
tried to hinder her to do it.
GSDs are known for protecting you, even against your will if necessary.
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Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 11:29 AM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 08:12 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
But do GSD's have the ability to recognise when someone is taking more than the prescribed amount of pills and deduce that it's a suicide attempt, prompting them to intervene?
I seriously doubt it.
They aren't able to
"recognise when someone is taking more than the prescribed"
.
GSDs are good at sensing emotions and intentions of people.
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Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 11:40 AM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 08:35 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
GSD's can recognise emotions but they can't recognise that taking pills is harmful act.
As said:
GSDs are good at sensing emotions and intentions of people.
Especially if they've a good bond with them.
And GSDs are known for protecting you, even against your will if necessary. -
Wu Ming — 1 year ago(February 28, 2025 01:16 PM)
ScoMore February 28, 2025 09:47 PM
Member since December 11, 2024
I know you've already said that.
And I've already said that GSD's are incapable of recognising when someone is taking a drug overdose.
Fine that you're so convinced about that,
bat-fleck
.
I won't restart that detail of our discussion again, endless loop.
https://www.filmboards.com/board/p/22481669/permalink/#p22481669
The question of who of the two died first could lead to
inheritance disputes
.
We'll have to wait for the results of the autopsies to be able to estimate more precisely what happened.
It's good that it's investigated.
The overall circumstances are
certainly unusual
.