Now you might find what i write a bit weird but:
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benjamin-154 — 19 years ago(February 07, 2007 06:35 AM)
Now you might find what i write a bit weird but:
To many people think of Jigsaw as evil. Perhaps if you only see the first SAW you would have a good reson to think so. But I actually see Jigsaw as the victim in the SAW movies. Yes what happens to his subjects is tragic, but Jigsaw never does to others what he woulden't do to him self. Society never accepted him when he was a toymaker and they certanly never did when he became Jigsaw. He was a poor guy afraid of commitments and then he got cancer. He began to hate people who diden't appriciate their lives and was sick of a world where people could be allowed to do it. So he wanted to end his life, but failed. Then he finally got somthing to belive in. His life became better: he belived in somthing and he got an apprentice (the daughter he never had). She leared to see the world through his eyes but lost the message and diden't think anyone could be saved or changed. So she destroyed it all, her life and his, and he died knowing that his legacy would die with him. I you think about it Jigsaw isen't really psycotic. Maybe if you saw all the SAW moves as one 6-hour film you would think of it as "The tragedy of Jigsaw".
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benjamin-154 — 19 years ago(February 07, 2007 11:20 PM)
Hehe yes I can see why so many think that. I just don't think it is that simple. Well I probably have a easier time forgiving him than most people. The people that die dosen't mean that much to me, so I can stil1354l feel sorry for Jigsaw because no matter what he did to others, his life wasen't easy eighter.
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myorangehoopz-249 — 19 years ago(February 14, 2007 01:42 PM)
I dont wanna start anything, but actually Jigsaw wasnt a murder, because he didnt technically kill the people himself, but he found ways for them to kill themselves. So it was basically homicide not murder. :]
Sav && Keith - August 14th 2006
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scott_allen_stephenson — 19 years ago(February 18, 2007 11:20 AM)
there is a way out of all of his traps, (except amandas)
you just have to have the survival instinct and the want to get out.
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oos_005s — 19 years ago(February 19, 2007 09:19 AM)
Jigsaw's purpose itself is not bad: want to learn people to appreciate their life and making them realise they're throwing it away. But the way he makes people understand is just wrong. The character Jigsaw is a twisted and sick person, even though I think drug addicts and guys who spend their time in jail need to be taught a lesson.
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sydtherat — 18 years ago(May 11, 2007 01:47 AM)
People seem to often over-look an important aspect of Jigsaw's personality when pointing the finger of blame at him, and that is as follows:
Jigsaw has a frontal lobe tumor. The frontal lobe is the part of your brain that controls your personality, that helps with decision making and judgements. If you damage this part of your brain even minimally, it changes your personality drastically. People with frontal lobe damage have trouble relating to other people, they have trouble understanding or empathising, they find it hard to put themselves in other people's shoes, as it were.
Therefore, I refuse to believe Jigsaw is evil. He's simply unable to understand how what he does isn't the best way to teach people. He truely does believe he is doing right by 'teaching people to appreciate their lives'. I don't for a second believe he does it JUST to be a malicious psycho; he just don't understand how severe what he does to people is as he can't 'relate' to people.
Personally, I love Jigsaw, and I think the vast majority of the people he traps had it coming. Ok, its not the BEST way to go about spreading a message, but I certainly don't blame Jigsaw for it because I don't think he gets any joy out of seeing people killed. He WANTS them to survive his traps. If he wanted to just see people tortured and killed, believe me, he could do that. -
noahtenzin — 18 years ago(October 31, 2007 03:58 PM)
I think the OP and others have seized upon something being mentioned in mainstream reviews now too (like below), which is that just b/c the SAW movies are horror doesn't mean that the y have to be dumb and mindless, adn that their embrace and sustainability has a lot to do with: 1) the narrative risks they've taken, continuing to push forward the story in new ways, not just retreading, and 2) Tobin Bell tottally kicking ass!
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TNGforever — 19 years ago(February 25, 2007 12:35 AM)
Oh geez, you guys need help. Tying someone to something that you know is going to kill them, and then given them a slim 1 out of a 1000 chance to get out of it, and only 60 seconds at that, knowing they likely will not, and then doing it over and over again, that's just plan murder. This guy is a cold blooded killer!
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makulitako — 18 years ago(April 12, 2007 11:06 PM)
Whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I'm not sure if somebody said this already, but who the hell said that Jigsaw killed Jeff's daughter?
Now for the stomach-key guy, I can understand what you mean. But your knowledge of the fate of Jeff's daughter simply must mean that you are in possession of a device that can tear the very fabric of space and time as we know it, which you used to see the October 2007 release of Saw IV (that being if they really
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GranRoyal — 19 years ago(April 01, 2007 11:18 PM)
I was watching Saw 1 with a friend who happens to be a lawer the "he never actualy killed someone" quote in the movie would never stand in a court of law.
All the trap set up is to kill the victim, so good old Jig is a murderer.
Dont forget you can go to jail for complicity of murder if you help someone commiting suicide. -
death-wyvern — 18 years ago(November 19, 2007 08:09 PM)
You are absolutely right. I remember about my mum telling me a true story of a person one of her work friends knew. I've shortened this to the quickest reading possible (yet enough to still get the point):
- Poor, innocent person get burgled a couple of times by the same person
- First time was when she wasn't at home, next time she was
- She starts to fear for her life
- She ends up setting up a potentially lethal trap underneath the window this person consistently breaks into.
- This trap is triggered, and sprung onto the unsuspecting burglar
- The burglar is terribly injured and maimed by the man-sized mouse trap (something like that), and hence he takes her to court and wins. The judge says she would have most likely won if she was sitting by the window with a gun instead, because then it can be deemed her life was potentially in peril.
She lost the case, had to pay the burglar out, and was detained in jail during the court proceedings. So the above poster is correct, Jigsaw would be completely liable to all of his crimes, if not moreso than cold blooded murder.
That said, it is only a movie, and I do see Jigsaw's point of view to a degree. The extreme that he takes out on people is unethical and barbaric to say the least, but these people continually beep up the choices that life has given them. For one, I DO think the fat rapist in the latest movie (which I saw last night) deserved what he got.
Riggs, on the other hand, deserved NOTHING that was done to him. The only reason I can see Jigsaw doing what he did to him is because Riggs is the anti-Jigsaw, selfless and the helper of everybody, rather than the tormentor and judge of everybody. Jigsaw was jealous that this person is so pure.
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koffeenkreame41-1 — 13 years ago(May 27, 2012 03:02 AM)
^^Agreed, Riggs definetely didn't deserve the stuff that happened to him in Saw 3, that was pretty tragic to me. Poor Riggs.
To me, he was an honorable character, same for Tapp in the first film.
"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna*beep*wit' me!" Hudson in Aliens. -
jmn080782 — 19 years ago(April 02, 2007 09:53 AM)
How is he not a murderer? By putting poison in someone's body and making them find an antedote, HE is killing them. Or by leaving someone chained to the wall with no food, that is murder. If you look at it that way, if I pull the trigger of a gun and kill someone my defense could be the gun did it. Plus, didn't he kill Danny Glover's partner in Saw 1? I guess technically no because his trap did it, but I would call that murder.
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benjamin-154 — 19 years ago(April 03, 2007 03:10 PM)
Yes how can be not be a murdere?. well in his head he is not. Noboddy who is evil think of them selves as evil, and can you really call him evil? maybe you can, but I don't think it's that simple. He claims people have a choice, and they do actually have a choice, it's just a hard choice to make. Maybe if you think of it this way you could understand what some people say when they tell you he is not a murdere: if I start a train, then jump out of it and the train drives towards you now you have the choice to move, but don't does that make me a murdere?
Now that might not make sence for some of you, but like I started the train and drove towards you so you could choose your own fate, Jigsaw starts a trap and let 5b4people choice their own fate. Now I don't say it's the excact same thing, but maybe you can understand better what some of us people mean when we say that he is not a murdere. Personally I don't know what to call him, because I don't think it's that simple not in a movie where you can fully choose for your self how to see a character. So some of you hate Jigsw and are happy he dies and some of you don't. So if you don't agree with me please spare me from sarkacem or personal oppinion about me, because that won't help a damn thing. So is he a murdere or not. is there even a final answer? I'm still saying that the SAW movies tell the tragic tale of a man nobody understand, not even Amanda, and that is heartbreaking. well if you like to analyse them like me of course.