Pretty???
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hydesakura — 20 years ago(June 10, 2005 01:14 AM)
Yu can't say 'prejudice' when you have the acutal nationality. don't you dare say i have prejudice.
Why should i do the research myself? you were the one suggesting it. you are the one who is saying 99.99999 whatever percent. Stop pushing me the responsibilties to research it. you really should've at first showed or proved the stats before you said anything like this. and if somebody oppose to your saying, it is YOUR responsibility to prove it cuz YOU were the one who brought it up.
and enlighten me with the morality and plastic surgery please. you told me i really need to reflect. tell me why we have low morality even if this platic thing is true. don't again tell me to research it myself. YOU seem to be the expert, bringing up all this studying result things. -
bloodsoup — 20 years ago(June 11, 2005 05:36 AM)
I've done lots of reflecting on Platsic Surgery. Ethics maybe, but morals? Nah. Everyone has to decide on their own if they want to put a knife to their face. What if there is too much cultural pressure so people don't have a choice? Bollocks. You always have a choiceesp. if you are actually in the economic position to even consider the consummer choice that is plastic surgery. If you've saved up money for surgery, then you've definitly made a choice.
Body painting and/or manipulation has been around since the beginning of organized society. Plastic surgery just normalized itthat's the problem with it. It's not a moral issue, it's a cultural one that deals with standards of beauty, choice and conformity.
This actress is gorgeousI could care less if she made chose to have surgery or not. Although personally, I think she looks pretty naturalbut for the rich, the surgeons are just that good.
If you are really so-against plastic surgery, do you boycott actors or actresses who have had it performed? Would you not watch an Angelina Jolie movieI mean, jeez, those lips!
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hydesakura — 20 years ago(June 13, 2005 08:04 PM)
Body painting and/or manipulation has been around since the beginning of organized society. Plastic surgery just normalized itthat's the problem with it. It's not a moral issue, it's a cultural one that deals with standards of beauty, choice and conformity.
agree.
(too bad my english isn't THAT good to give lonsumtravlr another arguement. too tired and too difficult to express my opinion in English. damn. anyway, i totally agree with you bloodsoup) -
hydesakura — 20 years ago(June 14, 2005 08:18 AM)
I just wanted you to know something.
i was born in Korea and was raised here for 25 years. i've only lived in England for 4 years when i was four years old to eight years old.
The thing is i can speak normal conversations, but if it comes to deep ones i keep reaching my limit. i can't speak fluently like you. (although i understand quite ok)
i assume you've been born and raised and educated in an english-speaking country since you can express yoursel5b4f quite logically.
so it would be nice if you wont say things like 'don't use that excuse' when you don't really know my situationright? i'm telling this in a nice way, cuz this is fairly off-topic (this is one of the problems in writings. you don't really know the person's tone)
anyway i wanted to tell you that it isn't an excuse. i really did reach my limits of expressing what i want in english. Speaking logically and debating in English is very difficult(plus a different thing than when i speak in Korean)
you are entitled to believe whatever you want about this plastic surgery(as i am too), but please dont tell me i'm a liar saying i'm using excuses. (again, im just saying in a pleasent tone. please don't take me wrong)
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xblood_is_yummyx — 20 years ago(November 28, 2005 04:33 PM)
What if a child is born with a terribly deformed face? If plastic surgery can be used to help that child and let them lead a normal life without people pointing and whispering at them, can you really say then that the surgery is an immoral act?
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jamhead-3 — 19 years ago(February 08, 2007 09:04 AM)
I don't think anyone's trying to define your nation. I've lived in Seoul for a few years now. Yes, a lot of people, especially women, have their eyes done. It's a simple fact. Not too many days go by when I don't see a woman with inappropriately dark sunglasses on, on a cloudy day. Most women admit to it also, if not flaunt their new eyes. The ads are everywhere, on the subways, billboards, newspapers, for cosmetic surgery specialists.
The Korean entertainment industry is putting out some great works, but it is still new by global staandards. Sometimes it plays catch-up by copying or exaggerating western music trends and pop fashion, even appearances (eyes).
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cterceira — 17 years ago(May 10, 2008 05:01 PM)
From what i have seen in my life (I a white American who has spent 8 years in Korea, I am married to a Korean, and I have 2 Korean step children who are at the age where these issues start to come up (17 and 18)) Korea at this point in time is the most plastic surgery crazed nation I have ever been in. I have very few women under the age of 45 who DO NOT have or want plastic surgery. My daughter has already gotten her eyes done (which I did not agree with, because i do not think plastic surgery is right, but it was her choice with her body) and now she wants more. When asking her why, she explained in depth how Korean pop culture is now pushing the younger generation to believe that what are traditional "Korean/East Asian" features to be less than attractive. I personally see this everynight when I go home and throw on an SBC, MBC, MNet, OCN, CGV, or other Korean channel and see women and men who have altered their faces to look less Korean. If you are truely a Korean who lives in Korea than you know 100% that what I am saying is true, but you don't want to let someone who is not of your culture speak poorly of it.
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sweetswan — 20 years ago(June 03, 2005 10:36 AM)
imdb's right.
that's the reason why she speaks korean fluently.
this is a big difference between she and daniel dae kim.
sorry to say this, but his korean is totally broken.
i'm just guessing he couldn't get any chance to learn formal korean because his family immigrated to the us when he was two years odl.
within that in mind, i hope that he'll be more than just another korean-american actors with poor Korean.
ps)
that chosun article is obviously wrong.
chosun requires us to pay our precious time too much making us read its concoction of incorrect facts carefully.
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bloodsoup — 20 years ago(June 16, 2005 07:36 AM)
Standards of beauty, choice and conformity are only moral issues if you make them moral issues. Morals aren't inherent in anything. They are imposed values. While I personally think that people putting a knife to their face so they can look like Angelina Jolie is quite silly, it is their choice. It don't think it should be judged in terms of right or wrong. If conformity is a moral issue, then you have to condemn all forms of repetition and sameness, which in my mind is just way too much of a moral high ground. A politics which encourages difference and thinking outside the box doesn't have to founded on moral grounds, for it to work. You don't have to condemn something as 'immoral' to take action against it, which seems to the strategy of the political right (at least in ame5b4rica) in my opinion. If anything, an effective strategy against conformity would be one that intentionally situates itself outside conventional moral discourses, which in themselves tend to become tired and repetitive.