She's so beautiful & talented, it is sad that her career is mismanaged.
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DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(June 03, 2016 02:03 PM)
Dunno. The whole thing is a big, fat, f!cking waste of time if you asked me. If she wants to waste her and other people's time in a group led by a guy whose baby mamma left him because of his sociopathic tendencies, labels himself "The Vanguard" (egotistical much?), likes to hear himself talk a lot, and can't keep his dick in his pants, then that's her problem.
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bill-davidson — 9 years ago(June 06, 2016 05:12 PM)
That's ridiculous. I'm sure that some have but there are many that would seem extremely unlikely to me.
For example, Emma Watson became very famous and very wealthy due to the Harry Potter movies which she started doing as a child. She continues to make movies and while I don't think she's had anything really big since HP, she's still doing pretty well. I seriously doubt that she's ever had to face the casting couch. I suspect that directors/producers would even be afraid to suggest it as she seems like the type to blow the whistle. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(June 07, 2016 04:06 PM)
That's ridiculous. I'm sure that some h238ave but there are many that would seem extremely unlikely to me.
Perhaps. But the world has made me a cynic, so I tend to lean towards a more pessimistic view of humanity and reality.
I just know it's an established enough "open secret" that it can make one often wonder about it. And when guys as high up as Harvey Weinstein are associated with it at more than just tabloid-like levels, you have to wonder just how much power these people wield behind the scenes (remember most of these people hold high positions in corporations that o5b4wn other media entities), and how psychologically ingrained it is in them and those who are vying for highly paid, competitive, and select positions, such that it becomes an under the table expectation for acquiring the role. If it is indeed a big "gentleman's club", then it's almost guaranteed that speaking out against it will cause one to be blacklisted. Just look at such power in the case of Mel Gibson, even though it is not related to this particular issue, who actually is talented (both in acting and directing) and has (or atleast had) massive credibility in the industry.
I could be way off base, but the way that Kristin was quickly removed from that one pilot "Hitched" after being brought in as the primary star for it, makes me wonder if something like this was requested, and she decided not to go through with it. The reason I say this is because shortly after this happened, when her Girls By Design blog was still around, there was a post about how much of yourself would you compromise in order to obtain something that was important to you, or something like that. The timing may just be coincidental, and like I stated, I am already predisposed to thinking in such a manner, but it was something that made me go "Hmm."
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lraevad — 9 years ago(June 01, 2016 07:06 PM)
Ultimately, she's the manager of her career. Any mismanagement can mostly be blamed on the person looking at her in the mirror.
I think BATB is probably the final nail in KK's acting career. A fade to obscurity now probably. It's too bad because she's a decent actress. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 20, 2016 06:32 PM)
This is just too black and white for me. How many people actually succeed in this highly competitive industry out of the many who try? My guess is it's barely a tiny fraction. You just don't hear about all the failures, because it doesn't mesh with the "cult of success" image that needs to be sold to feed the gravy train, while most people who hop aboard are either chewed up and spit out or simply tossed off of it.
What is Kim Kardashian's talent that warrants her being a mega-millionaire? That her father was part of the legal team that defended one of the most famous cases of the last century, and her sex tape? How about the many actresses who simply aren't that good, but still find work in the industry, e.g., Jessica Alba or Megan Fox. This industry isn't just about giving the right talent their shot or opportunity. There are a lot of underhanded conditions that people must submit to in order to be part of its clique, e.g., networking, making connections, f!cking producers, directors, or whoever, etc., and if they don't, they have to work their way around or through them. Just look at Mel Gibson. A good actor and great director, an icon of the industry from the early eighties until early two thousand, who's been blacklisted from doing what he does best, because of stupid things he said during a drunken rant which he apologized for many times over. Also, there are a lot of other factors that go into creating an actor's success other than their own talent or drive, e.g., good writing and direction, audience turnout and appeal, artistic agendas, etc., and of course their inability to combat various subtle "-isms", like sexism and ageism. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 01:54 PM)
What does that mean? Everyone is a "decision maker". That doesn't mean I can walk into Apple and choose to become the CEO.
It's like you ignored everything I said and just regurgitated that it's black and white. No, it's not, because there are a number of factors that play their part. -
lraevad — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 03:15 PM)
Actually, I did ignore much of what you said since it's irrelevant.
You make a decision to audition for a role..they offer you the role..you make a decision whether to take it or not. How difficult is that to understand? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 03:29 PM)
It's only "irrelevant" to your black and white thinking that is incapable of understanding nuance.
Your posited scenario presupposes that you know exactly what roles she auditioned for, was given, and then refused to take part in, that resulted in having a supposed negative (whatever that means) impa5b4ct on her career. Which then raises the question as to why she would waste her time in auditioning for a particular role that she was not going to accept in the first place? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 07:21 PM)
It's a terrible argument. It presumes you know what her choices were, what she tried for, what she was offered, what she refused, what she wanted out of a career, what she defines as success, etc., not you. A standard cannot be (or failed to be) reached if it is never set, and one can't fail to meet an invented and unknown one by someone who is irrelevant.
Also, there's nothing straw man about pointing the flaws in your responses.
Your post is a poor attempt to hide an underhanded slight and to cast all the blame onto her. There are plenty of great actors out there competing for a limited set of roles who don't get chosen just because they're not right for the part, not because they can't act. And really, what is a fade into obscurity anyways? And how more weightless can that be coming from an anonymous poster on the web? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 08:17 PM)
Thib68s thread exists on the sole presumption that her career has been mismanaged because it doesn't meet a standard of someone irrelevant who hasn't remotely considered her definition of success or what she wants out of her career, among other things. You just reinforce that idea by blaming her for being ultimately responsible for a 1) vacuous claim in the first place because it is a real straw man 2) not even considering so many of the other reasons in the industry I outlined for why someone may not have achieved what they wanted even if it was known, which clearly countered such a bogus black and white notion, and which you just absurdly tossed out as irrelevant.
It's
that you are just repeating "straw man" when you can't follow the structure of an argument and what is relevant or not.
All I said is it wasn't so black and white and you had to persist in saying "nuh uh".
Put up or shut up. Give me a list of all these roles she auditioned for and when she was offered them she refused that had such a negative impact on her career. Tell me the actress who did get the part or parts and who is basking in the glory of your imagined acting and material success that Kristin could have had if she just didn't mismanage her own career. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 06:18 PM)
Why do people like you show up every three months to say the same stupid sh!t every time?
She's advanced in acting ability well beyond from where she began in Edgemont and Smallville, and she wasn't even bad then, just inexperienced and green, like her eyes. That was fifteen years ago.
I want a unicorn.