She's so beautiful & talented, it is sad that her career is mismanaged.
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lraevad — 9 years ago(June 01, 2016 07:06 PM)
Ultimately, she's the manager of her career. Any mismanagement can mostly be blamed on the person looking at her in the mirror.
I think BATB is probably the final nail in KK's acting career. A fade to obscurity now probably. It's too bad because she's a decent actress. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 20, 2016 06:32 PM)
This is just too black and white for me. How many people actually succeed in this highly competitive industry out of the many who try? My guess is it's barely a tiny fraction. You just don't hear about all the failures, because it doesn't mesh with the "cult of success" image that needs to be sold to feed the gravy train, while most people who hop aboard are either chewed up and spit out or simply tossed off of it.
What is Kim Kardashian's talent that warrants her being a mega-millionaire? That her father was part of the legal team that defended one of the most famous cases of the last century, and her sex tape? How about the many actresses who simply aren't that good, but still find work in the industry, e.g., Jessica Alba or Megan Fox. This industry isn't just about giving the right talent their shot or opportunity. There are a lot of underhanded conditions that people must submit to in order to be part of its clique, e.g., networking, making connections, f!cking producers, directors, or whoever, etc., and if they don't, they have to work their way around or through them. Just look at Mel Gibson. A good actor and great director, an icon of the industry from the early eighties until early two thousand, who's been blacklisted from doing what he does best, because of stupid things he said during a drunken rant which he apologized for many times over. Also, there are a lot of other factors that go into creating an actor's success other than their own talent or drive, e.g., good writing and direction, audience turnout and appeal, artistic agendas, etc., and of course their inability to combat various subtle "-isms", like sexism and ageism. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 01:54 PM)
What does that mean? Everyone is a "decision maker". That doesn't mean I can walk into Apple and choose to become the CEO.
It's like you ignored everything I said and just regurgitated that it's black and white. No, it's not, because there are a number of factors that play their part. -
lraevad — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 03:15 PM)
Actually, I did ignore much of what you said since it's irrelevant.
You make a decision to audition for a role..they offer you the role..you make a decision whether to take it or not. How difficult is that to understand? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 03:29 PM)
It's only "irrelevant" to your black and white thinking that is incapable of understanding nuance.
Your posited scenario presupposes that you know exactly what roles she auditioned for, was given, and then refused to take part in, that resulted in having a supposed negative (whatever that means) impa5b4ct on her career. Which then raises the question as to why she would waste her time in auditioning for a particular role that she was not going to accept in the first place? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 07:21 PM)
It's a terrible argument. It presumes you know what her choices were, what she tried for, what she was offered, what she refused, what she wanted out of a career, what she defines as success, etc., not you. A standard cannot be (or failed to be) reached if it is never set, and one can't fail to meet an invented and unknown one by someone who is irrelevant.
Also, there's nothing straw man about pointing the flaws in your responses.
Your post is a poor attempt to hide an underhanded slight and to cast all the blame onto her. There are plenty of great actors out there competing for a limited set of roles who don't get chosen just because they're not right for the part, not because they can't act. And really, what is a fade into obscurity anyways? And how more weightless can that be coming from an anonymous poster on the web? -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(July 21, 2016 08:17 PM)
Thib68s thread exists on the sole presumption that her career has been mismanaged because it doesn't meet a standard of someone irrelevant who hasn't remotely considered her definition of success or what she wants out of her career, among other things. You just reinforce that idea by blaming her for being ultimately responsible for a 1) vacuous claim in the first place because it is a real straw man 2) not even considering so many of the other reasons in the industry I outlined for why someone may not have achieved what they wanted even if it was known, which clearly countered such a bogus black and white notion, and which you just absurdly tossed out as irrelevant.
It's
that you are just repeating "straw man" when you can't follow the structure of an argument and what is relevant or not.
All I said is it wasn't so black and white and you had to persist in saying "nuh uh".
Put up or shut up. Give me a list of all these roles she auditioned for and when she was offered them she refused that had such a negative impact on her career. Tell me the actress who did get the part or parts and who is basking in the glory of your imagined acting and material success that Kristin could have had if she just didn't mismanage her own career. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 06:18 PM)
Why do people like you show up every three months to say the same stupid sh!t every time?
She's advanced in acting ability well beyond from where she began in Edgemont and Smallville, and she wasn't even bad then, just inexperienced and green, like her eyes. That was fifteen years ago.
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banana_ghost — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 02:02 AM)
Cool down baby boy, and yes she's pretty, but no she's not a "great" actress, otherwise she would've gotten more offers and she didn't.
She have been cast in various TV-shows, did some pilot projects, but none of them payed out, and the only thing she have to show for her "career" is Smallville and the Beauty & the beast - no movies, no other tv-shows.
She's lucky that Smallville and The Beauty & The Beast had such a long run, otherwise she would've been forgotten years ago, just like the most of the cast of Roswell and similar shows. -
DramatisPersona — 9 years ago(October 21, 2016 01:02 PM)
Responding to the absurd criticism that she sucks isn't a positive assertion that she's great. There are a number of different classifications within the spectrum.
Regardless how I feel - or anyone feels for that matter - about her acting ability, the notion that she hasn't had her face plastered all over Hollywood or done a whole lot of work also doesn't necessarily entail that she's not a good actor. It doesn't take into consideration her own volition, e.g., her history and choices in the matter, i.e., what she even tried for, was rejected for, why she was rejected (acting talent is not the only factor), if and why she bowed out of a role, what is important to her, did she even want to do a lot of work or become A-list, what she didn't want to sacrifice, etc.
I want a unicorn. -
thiaguices — 9 years ago(August 07, 2016 06:19 PM)
I also like that Kristin conquer more recognition in her career. But also like that she and her team strive harder to get good roles. She is a great actress with a great fanbase, has everything to be even more successful.
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tdl797 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 07:10 PM)
I enjoyed her as an actress and person during Smallville.
I get the feeling that money is not that important to her.
Maybe acting is really not a passion of her's either.
She does enough to live comfortably and is content with that.
Being the lead on a TV show is a good living, I guess.
She makes enough doing that and can spend the rest of her time doing what she wants.
That's just my guess.
If she was really passionate about acting, she might be using any money she made to try and create projects for herself to star in, direct, etc.