Shame on The Academy for handling Liza the way they did.
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Liza Minnelli
florlite — 12 years ago(March 04, 2014 05:58 PM)
I think The Academy did a pretty lackluster job in preparing for the so called , Wizard Of Oz tribute to Liza's mother and here's why. 1. Is because they invited Liza, Lorna, Joey all to see the so called Wizard Of Oz tribute to see their mother, yes that part was fine , I liked Whoopi Goldberg's introduction to the whimsical film, I loved when she wore the Ruby Slippers , and had the socks like the witch , but I was so expecting for Liza, Lorna and Joe to come out on stage and Whoopi was going to say please help me welcome Judy's kids etc. But I thought at least Liza and them were going to say oh my mother loved this film and song etc.
2 . Why was the tribute so anticipated and so hyped up if they were not going at least have Liza and Lorna sing a little part of Over The Rainbow, I get the inkling the producers of the show didn't even at least ask them, they just picked Pink, yes Pink's interpretation of the song was okay but come on what a random pick , they picked Pink of all people what a random pop star, sigh, I dunno if Liza declined but even if she did why go with Pink?!?! such a random choice.
3 . Whoopi's speech on the film was very lovely but she was stating facts that anyone can Google, yes we know when the film came out, we know who played Dorothy, we know when it aired on TV in the 50s it was a big ordeal etc. those are facts we could all learn, they forgot to mention how long it took, they forgot to give out a shout-out to the other cast members of the film Ray Bolger, the director and mention he directed Gone With The Wind also, it wasn't a very lenghthy enough tribute for such an iconic film.
4 . The film is three quarter centuries old and it just wasn't a very well put together tribute simply a nod, and Liza who is pure talent was 'roasted' so to speak by Ellen Degenres with her joke that she was a drag queen or looked like one, why Liza , why not joke about Angelina Jolie who broke up a marriage, or some new up and coming artist why Liza?!?! why not ditsy Jennifer Lawrence it just made no sense , why in an audience of ego man111ciacs ,pick on someone who is their for a tribute for their legendary mother and is a legend in their own right , why her be the butt of jokes.
5. In closing shame on The Academy overall for just feeding the ego of these little pretentious starlets like Gwenyth,Kate Hudson, Jennifer Lawrence all these little startles , people giving them so much attention , when you have legends like , Kim Novak, Sidney Poitier, and Liza Minnelli in the building and The Academy has the audacity (and the genral media) to mock the appearance of such seasoned legends when you such ego maniacs in the building. -
brookwriter — 12 years ago(March 05, 2014 06:44 PM)
Ellen's joke, coming from a woman who only wears a dress once a year (if that), was a fiasco, pure and simple. She should have known better. Liza's response was, as always, classy: "I think she thought it would be funny."
The Oz tribute was a real head-scratcher. Who 16d0"wrote" it and put it together? They should be removed from future such assignments.
And of all singers to sing the song, Pink would have been way down on my list. Was Lady Gaga unavailable? That might have salvaged it.
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goleafsgo27 — 12 years ago(March 12, 2014 01:47 AM)
Ramon, I did not much care for Ellen's Liza "joke" either, but your remark about Ellen being "a man" displays an apparent lack of understanding of the range of human genders and sexual orientations. Ellen is a woman. She's a lesbian. Women of all orientations manifest a full range of appearances and behaviors from very feminine to very masculine, while still being women. Ellen is a little, not a lot, to the masculine side of that range. Many other women, both straight and lesbian, are much more masculine than her. Her wife, Portia, is somewhat more feminine.
I have seen enough to know I have seen too much.
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goleafsgo27 — 11 years ago(April 11, 2014 09:23 PM)
I will not attack YOU, verbally or otherwise. Your sig suggests we share a love of the Shawshank Redemption. Your comments do suggest a lack of understanding of the topics of human sex, gender and sexual orientation, which each pertain to different aspects of our humanity.
I see a claim that there are TWO sexes, followed by an acknowledgement of a third. Yes, intersex is rare but it does those people born that way no favor for us to discount them off our map.
The existence of transgender people makes it obvious that they indeed are a normal human variation, or they would not exist. (Are you OK with the existence of left-handed people and can we call them normal and natural, or are they2000 a "perversion" as well?)
There are lots of things consenting adults, both straight and gay, do in private that I might not find palatable, but if all involved are willing, I dont see why my tastes should dictate their pleasures. One should always take prudent precautions and practise good hygiene of course.
Males and females did indeed evolve in numerous species as one way in nature for reproduction to happen, and obviously, one cannot make babies without a male and female contribution, though sex is no longer required.
TRUE marriage? I hope you understand how very differently various cultures around our modern world and throughout history have defined that. Is your definition the only one all of the rest of us should adhere to? If so, kindly explain why. I hope it will make no reference to any specific religion that not all of us follow.
Many of us believe that a healthy marriage is based on more than procreation, and indeed, more than sex, however nice those things can be. Love and companionship are treasured by many couples, and if gay people can find love and wish to share their lives as a couple, I just can't think of any logical reason for me to object. I just cannot see what harm they do me or our culture by sharing their lives, or by walking past holding hands.
Like a rapidly growing majority of Americans (not to mention Canadians, Western Europeans and South Americans), I also see no valid legal reason for denying same-sex couples the legal protections of legal marriage. The 14th Amendment of our Constitution and previous Supreme Court rulings would all seem to support that view.
I wish you would explain what harm specifically you feel is done to this world and how exactly we have been sent down into the sewer by most of us accepting the family value of love, respect and dignity for our gay cousins.
I have seen enough to know I have seen too much.
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RockaDee_Requited — 11 years ago(April 17, 2014 11:09 PM)
Ok.
Let me educate you.
Gender is not sex, and sex is not gender. Sex is biological. We cannot change our sex, that is a correct statement. Gender is a social construct, created over time by man. In different cultures, it can mean different things.
You can argue with me till you are blue in the face, however medical and psychological professionals will agree that Transgender individuals are not mentally ill.
Some people are just born with a brain that matches one gender, and a body that fits the other. If it upsets you that much that a person chooses to identify by a different gender you need to get out and see there are REAL struggles in this world.
Also, Riley did not mutilate her penis. She still very much has one. Not all transgendered individuals have bottom surgery.
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SimplemindedSociety — 11 years ago(May 25, 2014 06:28 PM)
'You can argue with me 1c84till you are blue in the face, however medical and psychological professionals will agree that Transgender individuals are not mentally ill.'
If medical science SAID HOMOSEXUALITY is a mental-illness, then that contradictes your evidence since it was once considered that. The same thing could happen with so-called TG; it could be considered a mental-illness later. Medical science once said too many eggs was dangerous, then retracted it. Reciprocals
'We cannot change our sex',
You don't say!
'Also, Riley did not mutilate her penis. She still very much has one. Not all transgendered individuals have bottom surgery.'If no bottom surgery, then that contradicts the passion to "have the body match the mind", which TG claim.
TG just convince the doctor by nagging and insisting they were born in the wrong body, so the psych eventually BELIEVES THEM. Shrinks ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU TELL THEM, AND THEY CAN BE FOOLED EASILY. -
reeda — 12 years ago(March 10, 2014 11:52 AM)
I, too, was disappointed with the Oz tribute. If nothing else, Liza & Lorna should have been the ones to introduce the clips and song. However, i do think that Pink did a very good job with Over the Rainbow. I like the idea of giving Judy a posthumous award. Alas, another missed opportunity.
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goleafsgo27 — 12 years ago(March 12, 2014 01:52 AM)
As to Liza never singing Over the Rainbow, I recall hearing her sing it some years back, beautifully, leading me to decide that she is the only singer I'd ever want to hear doing it, besides her mom of course.
I have seen enough to know I have seen too much.
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goleafsgo27 — 12 years ago(March 12, 2014 11:24 AM)
And at her Liza's Back concert in 2002 in NYC (and CD), she sang Never Never Land, ending it with the last stanza of Over the Rainbow. So we're sort of both right.
I have seen enough to know I have seen too much.
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elisedfr — 12 years ago(March 12, 2014 06:24 AM)
It was all a real mess. If they wanted to honor Judy Garland with a tribute, they should have done so properly. Hell, it's not so difficult to make a good tribute these days
And the joke was pretty dumb to be honest. I'm surprised Liza did not get more angry about it. After all, she had been invited to represent an important part of the ceremony. It's not as if she was Bob Hope and here for the jokes.
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