on American soil.
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sweiland75 — 13 years ago(December 25, 2012 03:38 AM)
piers morgan isnt just some guy, hes a foreign agent provocateur with an agenda and the nation is starting to wake up and recognize the enemies amongst us
I would laugh, if I didn't realize you are actually serious. Typical xenophobic American. This is the core problem that has driven this gun culture in America. -
haplok2 — 13 years ago(December 25, 2012 04:35 AM)
Gun culture is also partly a certain form of religious culture, as Larry Pratt made clear in that now infamous interview. He insisted on calling Adam Lanza "evil" instead of merely sick. That way he could justify gun possession as an act that pits the "good guys" (his words) against the evildoers. Sometimes hard to escape the conclusion that some kind of "purifying" apocalyptic showdown is what he's after.
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haplok2 — 13 years ago(January 08, 2013 03:59 AM)
Well, at least he's now realized that he can't get a foreigner deported for exercising his right of free speech. The new ploy, apparently, is to speak grandiosely of "The American people" (narrowly defined as anyone who opposes gun regulation) "defeating" Piers in some unspecified way.
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haplok2 — 13 years ago(January 13, 2013 05:53 AM)
No, "we won't see." You can wait till hell freezes over or the Constitution is dismantled, which ever comes first. Foreigners will never be deported for exercising the same freedom of speech I enjoy as an American. Never. Not in my lifetime, not as long as America remains a democracy.
You don't like democracy very much, do you?
and im leading the charge now am i?
thanks for putting me in charge, how kind of you
Irony isnt' your strong suit, is it, Forrest? (Neither is reading comprehension. Anyone could have surmised that I'm American from my OP.) -
haplok2 — 13 years ago(December 25, 2012 04:32 AM)
Yes, do look at the red scare and WWI before it.
Then as a patriotic American, look at both the US Supreme Court's clear and present danger standard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_and_present_danger
as well as the imminent lawless action standard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action
The ignorance, intolerance and paranoia of good citizens like you worry me a GREAT DEAL more than the comments of a foreign-born TV interviewer.
You don't seem to have the vaguest idea that in this day and age, the SC would find it UNCONSTITUTIONAL to deport any non-US visitor for expressing his political opinions, on or off the air.
the nation is starting to wake up and recognize the enemies amongst us
You sound like a dangerous fanatic who belongs on an FBI watch list.
The fact is that the nation is DIVIDED on the question of what to do about gun violence and Piers Morgan's views do find an echo in the thinking of many good and loyal Americans.
But it's in the nature of the right wing's Manichaean, "good vs evil" thinking to assume that those who disagree with them are "enemies in their midst" rather than good people with different experiences, priorities, constellation of values and so forth. -
haplok2 — 13 years ago(December 31, 2012 06:20 AM)
youre the most dangerous to our nation because you defend those who are attacking our nation
Wrong. You're the most dangerous because you're just as much of an intolerant manichaean as the foreign extremists you decry: Osama Bin Laden, Kim Jong-Un, Mohammed Ahmedinejad, Hugo Chavez. All of them disdain THE RULE OF LAW, all of them demonize their enemies, all of them (with the partial exception of Hugo Chavez) actively support the suppression of free speech.
How does it feel to be in such "exalted" company? -
galahadfairlight — 13 years ago(December 28, 2012 02:48 AM)
I suggest you go look up McCarthyism, and then decide if your tact is a good idea, do you know nothing of your own history?
Piers Morgan didn't attack America, he might be an beep but he's not stupid.
So Free Speech in America is meaningless, thanks for the headsup, just means the constitution is worthless, is that the image you wanted to convey?
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galahadfairlight — 13 years ago(December 28, 2012 10:18 AM)
so what youre saying is its fine to trash part of the constitution
Yup, your constitution precisely gives people that right via Free Speech. You can't selectively choose what is free speech, otherwise it ceases to be free speech.
There are elements of the constitution that are rather dated, to pretend otherwise is frankly madness.
EVERYTHING should be subject to change for the better, if its truly for the better, and that includes your constitution.
but if some111cone calls them out for it, they are the bad guy because they are "attacking free speech"
All depends how you word it, if your response is somehow to promote the notion of removing their free speech, then sure, you are the bad guy.
Discuss, debate, but deport just because you don't agree with them? Mental!
he can call for the law to be broken as a foreigner
but as a natural citizen i cant call for him to be punished for attacking our laws
Punished how? He's used free speech, why is his free speech worth any less than yours? Why is his use of free speech worthy of punishment?
Before you start worrying about Piers 'nobody' Morgan, worry about some of the radicalised groups within your own country before you worry about what one foreigner says, they are rather more incendiary than he'll EVER be.
ok, you have your opinion, myself and many others have ours
And so does Piers Morgan, he's as entitled to his opinion as you are yours, except of course if your suggestion is to silence him (as if deporting him would silence him sheesh!!).
If you're prepared to tolerate my opinion, then you should do the same for Morgan.
only one major point, Im natural born, piers is a foreign national
What relevance has that got to do with anything? So now you're suggesting the constitution now promotes discrimination????????????
WTF?
support the foreigners publicly, so the nation knows what side youre on. please be very loud about it
Theres something said by a famous chap called Voltaire, and it goes along the lines of "I may not agree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Disliking Piers Morgans opinion is absolutely fine, trying to silence him over it is not.
Free Speech is free speech with NO conditions, or it ceases to be free.
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galahadfairlight — 13 years ago(December 29, 2012 02:22 PM)
nice language,
Thanks, its English, do you approve?
soon as you went low brow i stopped playing your game
Really? Which point was that? Was it where you didn't have a sane and reasonable response to counter with?
reported
Do I now have to suffer the ire of your 'mom' and 'pop' shouting at me now?
you cant actually debate so you just get vulgar
Really? Where was I vulgar?
I think its precisely because I can debate, which is why you're opting to bow out now.
you lost,
Its clear by your lack of challenge to my post that thats not the case.
and you just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again
The repetition you speak of is slight, however your 'propaganda' stance, has been repeated so as to render the word useless.
even though i was VERY CLEAR
VERY CLEARLY you were not.
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galahadfairlight — 13 years ago(January 08, 2013 11:57 AM)
I've got it backed up if you want me to re-post it, so you can dodge it again champ?
Of course you'll no longer address me, people with limited intellect (such as yourself) will go out of their way to avoid a a REAL discussion, which is fine in itself, shows you know your limitations.
Such a shame then that you fear to reach beyond them. Bless
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