We'll see who she is when she gets cancer.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 12:47 AM)
The dangerous effects of smoking and passive smoking are over exaggerated. Just look at countries like Andorra and Japan which have the highest and third highest life expectancies in the world, respectively. They also have a higher smoking rate than countries like the US and UK, with around a third of the population smoking and there is little or no smoking restrictions in most buildings.
Long term exposure to stress takes a bigger toll on the body and can give you life threatening illnesses which will kill you long before the cigarettes do.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 04:26 AM)
those old people do not smoke actively/passively. why? because they are not stupid. that is why.
they do not have legislation for that yet, that is all.
'Long term exposure to stress takes a bigger toll on the body and can give you life threatening illnesses which will kill you long before the cigarettes do.'
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 05:04 AM)
People of all ages smoke, not just the young The point is no legislation is needed because the risks are exaggerated. If passive smoking was so deadly these countries should have a lower life expectancy than the US since their smoking laws are very relaxed and there are more people smoking, a lot of times whereever they want, which means more smoke filled venues.
In supposed free, democratic countries the government shouldn't have the right to tell people how to live their lives, or to tell business owners (like bars/restaurants/clubs owners) that they cannot choose to let people smoke inside. People know smoking is bad for their health and can be habit-forming, in the same way alcohol is bad for your health and habit-forming. If someone ch2000ooses to smoke or drink that's their choice.
In these countries smoking is accepted as a life style choice, just like it was here at one stage. Most people don't care if you smoke because it's as normal as drinking alcohol.
Lots of European and Asian countries haven't bought into the over exaggerated passive smoking bull beep like the US, UK, Australia etc have.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 06:57 AM)
it is noxious. that is the reason they banned it. they will, no one is going to get away with it.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 07:19 AM)
Tobacco isn't any more noxious than alcohol, don't hear the government lobbying for prohibition. A simple smoke extraction system for venues that want to allow smoking makes more sense than a ban
"noone is going to get away with it"
what the beep are you talking about? You're smoking something and it ain't tobacco.
habits, desires, behaviors, choices and decisions that are harmful to the planet and the life it supports, will not be tolerated.
If you wanna live in a nanny state with a whole bunch rules that are based bull beep move to North Korea. Seem's like an authoritarian government would be right up your alley.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 08:09 AM)
drinking alcohol drinks without moderation creates even more problems. those can be prevented with moderation or by ceasing to drink.
the smoke does not cease to be noxious with moderation.
i'm talking about punishment.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 08:55 AM)
Alcohol does not cease to be noxious with moderation either - it's a poison and a known carcinogen. The dangers of alcohol might not be advertised on TV or displayed on the bottle like the warnings on cigarette packs but it doesn't change the fact that drinking a carcinogenic poison is not good for you, no matter if you drink heavily or in moderation. Also, tobacco and beer share a common carcinogen - nitrosamine.
Smoking related illnesses are directly related to the amount of cigarettes smoked, how long the smoke is held and how deep the smoke is inhaled. Just like alcohol related illnesses are directly related to how much and how frequently alcohol is consumed. So moderation in both cases decreases the risk.
I don't support prohibition at all, I'm just comparing one poison to another. One is socially acceptable, one isn't. It makes no sense at all.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(October 05, 2008 07:53 AM)
Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. Useful alcohol, such as methylated spirits, is ok and shouldn't be banned. But since tobacco isn't "useful" it should be banned. So, what's your stance on beer and wine? It's about as "useful" as tobacco and I don't see it replacing rubbing alcohol anytime soon, so according to your logic it should be banned? Right?
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(October 05, 2008 06:27 PM)
You said "alcohol is useful, (disinfectant, etc.) tobacco smoking is not that is why it must be banned." so I was asking you what about drinking alcohol? You can't disinfect or clean anything with it and it is as useful as tobacco.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(December 23, 2008 12:30 PM)
educate yourself,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage#Alcohol_consumption_an d_health
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Use
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 23, 2008 09:41 PM)
Educate myself through wikipedia?
The "article" you sent applies to tobacco as well. Moderate amounts have a lower risk - just like alcohol, just like anything. Like I said before, smoking related illnesses are directly related to the amount of cigarettes smoked, how long the smoke is held and how deep the smoke is inhaled. Nictotine has also been linked to a decrease in the risk of Alzheimer's and dementia.
And please, don't be an idiot by bringing ethanol and non-drinking alcohols into it because we're talking about drinking alcohol. It's like comparing codeine to heroin just because they're both opiates.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 27, 2008 11:28 PM)
Yeah, I agree. Education is great. However, I prefer to educate myself through sources that are a bit more reliable than wikipedia.
Comparing drinking alcohol to other forms of alcohol is idiotic. As I said before, it's as idiotic as comparing codeine to heroin just because they are both opiates.
And I never said that tobacco products only contain nicotine, just like drinking alcohol contains more than alcohol (including nitrosamine - one of the same carcinogens in tobaco smoke). I was making a comparison to the article on wikipedia you posted (which is hardly a reliable source to begin with) about how drinking alcohol moderately decreases the risks of Alzhiemer's and dementia with nicotine which does same thing.
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