We'll see who she is when she gets cancer.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(September 09, 2008 08:55 AM)
Alcohol does not cease to be noxious with moderation either - it's a poison and a known carcinogen. The dangers of alcohol might not be advertised on TV or displayed on the bottle like the warnings on cigarette packs but it doesn't change the fact that drinking a carcinogenic poison is not good for you, no matter if you drink heavily or in moderation. Also, tobacco and beer share a common carcinogen - nitrosamine.
Smoking related illnesses are directly related to the amount of cigarettes smoked, how long the smoke is held and how deep the smoke is inhaled. Just like alcohol related illnesses are directly related to how much and how frequently alcohol is consumed. So moderation in both cases decreases the risk.
I don't support prohibition at all, I'm just comparing one poison to another. One is socially acceptable, one isn't. It makes no sense at all.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(October 05, 2008 07:53 AM)
Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. Useful alcohol, such as methylated spirits, is ok and shouldn't be banned. But since tobacco isn't "useful" it should be banned. So, what's your stance on beer and wine? It's about as "useful" as tobacco and I don't see it replacing rubbing alcohol anytime soon, so according to your logic it should be banned? Right?
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(October 05, 2008 06:27 PM)
You said "alcohol is useful, (disinfectant, etc.) tobacco smoking is not that is why it must be banned." so I was asking you what about drinking alcohol? You can't disinfect or clean anything with it and it is as useful as tobacco.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(December 23, 2008 12:30 PM)
educate yourself,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_beverage#Alcohol_consumption_an d_health
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol#Use
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 23, 2008 09:41 PM)
Educate myself through wikipedia?
The "article" you sent applies to tobacco as well. Moderate amounts have a lower risk - just like alcohol, just like anything. Like I said before, smoking related illnesses are directly related to the amount of cigarettes smoked, how long the smoke is held and how deep the smoke is inhaled. Nictotine has also been linked to a decrease in the risk of Alzheimer's and dementia.
And please, don't be an idiot by bringing ethanol and non-drinking alcohols into it because we're talking about drinking alcohol. It's like comparing codeine to heroin just because they're both opiates.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 27, 2008 11:28 PM)
Yeah, I agree. Education is great. However, I prefer to educate myself through sources that are a bit more reliable than wikipedia.
Comparing drinking alcohol to other forms of alcohol is idiotic. As I said before, it's as idiotic as comparing codeine to heroin just because they are both opiates.
And I never said that tobacco products only contain nicotine, just like drinking alcohol contains more than alcohol (including nitrosamine - one of the same carcinogens in tobaco smoke). I was making a comparison to the article on wikipedia you posted (which is hardly a reliable source to begin with) about how drinking alcohol moderately decreases the risks of Alzhiemer's and dementia with nicotine which does same thing.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(December 28, 2008 12:51 PM)
you are saying that the information in these two WP articles, are 'unreliable'?
if yes, do you have evidence to support your assertion?
http://www.imdb.com/board/20609017/board/flat/112214103#119136928
read my message correctly. it reads, '
alcohol is useful (disinfectant, etc.), tobacco smoking is not.
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alcohol beverages contain alcohol.
for example, you can use an alcohol beverage as a disinfectant. do you understand?
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 28, 2008 04:12 PM)
Yes, it's common knowledge that wikipedia is a terrible source because anybody can edit it and write whatever they want. Therefore, it is unreliable.
for example, you can use an alcohol beverage as a disinfectant. do you understand?
Wrong. It depends on the drinks alcohol content (which needs to be very high) and the other substances in the drink. Try pouring a beer on your wound next time you cut yourself and see how long it takes for it the become infected. Alcoholic beverages are made for enjoyment, the same as tobacco products. Rubbing alcohol etc is made as a disinfectant.
It's an idiotic comparison.
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vaseleos0 — 17 years ago(December 30, 2008 09:46 PM)
'common knowledge'? the Argumentum ad populum[1] fallacy, rendered your argument invalid.
i said educate yourself. i did not say presume again.
'Wrong.'? of course not, because i never said that any percentage of alcohol content in alcoholic beverages is adequate for all infection instances.
the other substances are irrelevant. we are talking about alcohol only.
'beer'? i would use the beverage that has the highest percentage of alcohol content.
do not presume again.
for what these products are sold for is irrelevant.
alcohol can be used as a disinfectant, and it is used as a disinfectant if there is nothing else someone could use to disinfect and/or to prevent an infection.
what 'idiotic comparison'? i did not compare something, i stated a few facts.
that is all.
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Chainsaw69 — 17 years ago(December 30, 2008 10:52 PM)
Type in wikipedia and reliability into a search engine and see what comes up. Here's just one of many articles on its reliability
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=83640
Also, try submitting a paper to a major university or college with wikipedia references throughout and see what grade you get (if they even bother grading it at all).
Yes, alcohol (such as rubbing alcohol) is useful but drinking alcohol (such as vodka and scotch) is made for enjoyment. Instead of going back and forth on the various types of drinking alcohol that can be substituted as a disinfectant you could just say whether or not you'd support prohibition laws.
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wijdan — 17 years ago(January 05, 2009 05:57 PM)
Is there something wrong with taking the time to look at sources in a particular Wikipedia article before dismissing it as unreliable? If the sources are valid than there's nothing wrong with using Wikipedia as a point of information. If you were writing a paper, you would use the sources at the bottom of the Wikipedia article as a reference, not the article itself.
I don't know of any other place where you can find such an ENORMOUS wealth of information all in one place, in several different languages, and with the ability to look at sources, edit history, the talk page, and so on. I wish people wouldn't pull out the tired, "It's not reliable" excuse. The article you mentioned is about slander of the author's Wikipedia page. I looked at it just now, it looks fine to me. I think this is the best part of the author's collumn,
(Note: Within an hour of the posting of this column, Wikipedia pulled the defamatory accusation that Farah is "a noted homosexual" from its bio. Later, most of the bio was pulled. However, the cached version still remains.)
Isn't Wikipedia great? People can edit to deface Wikipedia all they want but there is always someone who will come along and revert it back.