I don't really understand why some people think it was "career suicide"? Acting is about conveying emotions convincingly
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lukejbarnett2002 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 01:15 AM)
yeah but the problem about that is it only favors the less big population of gays while taking down the probability of straight people watching her movies. so, if you are straight it's good on the count of straight people still watching your movies and gays still watching your movies but just not increasing them watching your movies. go the safe, straight route.
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MrTridac — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 04:09 AM)
Your reasoning is good but we're still in the realm of speculation about hypothetical circumstances.
In reality I'm sure most people don't care or even know much about the actors they're watching.
You have to consider a good amount of selection bias here on this board.
Or in any IMDb board for that matter.
The average moviegoer isn't interested in "behind the curtain" stuff.
I guess from the point of view of a production company it doesn't matter at all.
A few proud gays more in the theater plus a few homophobics less equals zero. The majority of people doesn't care.
It would be interesting to ask the average person: "Did you know that Ellen Page is gay?"
The usual answer is probably: "Who's Ellen Page?"
And next on the list would be: "Didn't she play a pregnant girl in that movie? What's the name ?"
Just because many movie-aficionados discuss the subject in movie related boards doesn't mean that there are actually many average people who care.
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day
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lukejbarnett2002 — 9 years ago(June 22, 2016 07:21 PM)
but if it's even, the ones who like it and the ones who don't, which it wouldn't be anyway because more people are straight than are gay, the casting directors and producers care about if someone is gay in the public eye because their image decreases more than it increases the box office for a movie, so that is two things to one thing in the favor of her coming out being a bad thing.
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MrTridac — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 04:27 AM)
because more people are straight than are gay
I was only talking about the straight people who turn away because they're homophobic.
You can't imply that every straight person is homophobic. I'm straight, I still like her. I still like watching her. I'd never avoid a movie just because an actor is gay and I think I'm not alone with this.
producers care about if someone is gay in the public eye
That's why I raised the question how many public eyes actually do care or even know that she's gay.
I don't think it's too many.
Therefore, I don't think producers care too much.
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day
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lukejbarnett2002 — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 04:55 AM)
but I would argue that more people know about this than you think. the internet has made it really easy and quite common for people to find out about an actor being gay. this is what happened with me: I wasn't even looking to find out anything about her. I didn't search for her online but, I saw something online about her coming out so I just saw it in a story online on the yahoo search engine. so, you don't even have to look to find out about an actor being gay, you are given this information whether you like it or not in a story on the yahoo search engine. you know how they put stories on yahoo. they are just there automatically.
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MrTridac — 9 years ago(June 23, 2016 06:41 AM)
but I would argue that more people know about this than you think.
This might be true. Unfortunately we cannot know for sure except someone makes a representative study.
so, you don't even have to look to find out about an actor being gay, you are given this information
That's why I mentioned selection bias.
You and I, we have a natural tendency to roam about in many corners of the internet, potentially many movie or entertainment industry related sites.
While the average moviegoer doesn't get far beyond facebook, instagram, netflix and amazon. Although, facebook was probably swamped with "ELLEN PAGE OUT OF THE CLOSET !!!!!!1111oneoneone #pathetichashtag"
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day
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MartenBroadcloak — 10 years ago(July 25, 2015 09:47 AM)
This is something that influences the casting choices for movies.
Is it, really? I mean there are not a lot of openly gay actors in Hollywood so it's hard to tell but it didn't seem to be a risk to have Ian McKellen in big-budget films like Lord of the Rings and Jim Parsons was the star of Dreamworks' Home.
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Smokey_T — 9 years ago(September 21, 2016 05:52 PM)
Yea, Ian McKellen is always going for those sweet roles, the ones where he plays a desirable, sexually powerful, and most significantly a no-more-than middle aged man.
Oh, wait.
Yeah, I'm sure Morgan Freeman, Sidney Poitier and a slew of other near geriatrics could be openly gay and not have that limit their ability to play Dumbledore. It might impact their bank ability were they 20 something, and seeking a high mainstream profile.
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michaelallen000 — 10 years ago(September 30, 2015 01:56 AM)
I don't think it's going to hurt her career, she's going to be able to get the same type of rolls that she got before, unless she black balls herself talking negative against Hollywood.
With Neil Patrick Harris it has hurt his career, which is sad he's a great actor.
Wentworth Miller came out as gay, his career is doing better then it did before.
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MartenBroadcloak — 10 years ago(September 30, 2015 03:19 PM)
With Neil Patrick Harris it has hurt his career, which is sad he's a great actor.
I don't know if it helped his career but I don't think it hurt him either. If anything he seems to be a much more high-profile celebrity than he was before. Looking at his Wikipedia page it appeared that prior to 'How I Met Your Mother' after Doogie Howser ended the bulk of his stuff was tv movies and guest work whereas now he's doing quite well for himself. -
bakerstreetdozen — 10 years ago(September 30, 2015 06:06 PM)
Matt Bomer is also doing pretty well for himself. He came out while on
White Collar
, I believe, which ran for several series. He won a Golden Globe for
The Normal Heart
, is now appearing in
American Horror Story
, and has a few different film projects lined up. Oh, and he was in the
Magic Mike
films, but I hesitated to mention that because I thought the first one was frankly terrible (even if it did have a few good-looking guys).
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mike-a-patrick91 — 10 years ago(March 13, 2016 12:37 AM)
I certainly don't think that coming out as gay would ruin her career. I just read an article on her saying that coming out has allowed her to take on more creative roles.
One thing I will point out: look at her IMDb page pre-2014. She had the X-Men films, Inception and Juno to her name as well as smaller films like Hard Candy and Whip It. Since she came out there doesn't seem to be many films of note other than Freeheld. But I guess it's early days to see whether she won't get any more big films, and as mentioned above, maybe she isn't as interested in doing blockbusters. -
MrTridac — 10 years ago(March 14, 2016 04:38 AM)
as mentioned above, maybe she isn't as interested in doing blockbusters.
She said that many times in the past.
Apparently, it took a lot of convincing by the director to do the X-Men movies.
Even a stopped clock gives the right time twice a day